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I'd love to see a sequel to classic monsters revisited. In my perfect world of imagination, I'd like to see one each for demons, devils, celestials, and undead, and then one that covers:
Barghests
Couatls
Drow
Doppelgangers
Hydras
Kraken
Lamias (especially after the RotRL AP!)
Lammasu
Manticores
Ogre Magi (since they seem to be a whole other species that wouldn't really fit the whole "redneck hillbilly backwoods pervert" thing)
Salamanders
The Tarrasque
Troglodytes
I'd love to see a sequel to classic monsters revisited. In my perfect world of imagination, I'd like to see one each for demons, devils, celestials, and undead, and then one that covers:
I agree with most of these, but here is my list:
1. Drow
2. Lamias
3. Linorm Dragons (Given the whole land of the Linorm kings)
4. Dragons
5. Dragonnes
6. The Tarrasque
7. Dryads
8. The Fey
9. The Beholder
10. Mind Flayers
Especially Lamias, they kick ass, and I'm glad to see Pathfinder using them alot. I really don't like what 4E is doing with them.
None of the above, for me.
Aranea (excellent neutral shapeshifter race)
Derro (seriously, have you seen the lame motivations these guys get?)
Grimlocks (how a race without sight functions gives the writer a hook)
Troglodyte (the under-served lizard race)
Sprites (worth it just for the descriptions of the pranks)
Pseudodragon (there's surely some hook to another product there)
Otyugh ("Otyughs speak Common" How?!)
Sahaughin (in need of a make-over)
Dear god yes. I loved that book ever so much.
I would like it if they expanded the line. Instead of 'classic monsters revisited II' we got 'fae revisited', 'giants revisited', 'abberations revisited' (along with a few new entries)', that sort of thing. Expand the line I say! pls pls pls?!?
I'm up for it! I see it being down the line because there's two tons of stuff in the queue, but hells yes!
Or.. a Pathfinder Creature Book proper..
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Otyugh ("Otyughs speak Common" How?!)
In a very limited fashion and always related to garbage or poop.
Otyugh 1: Do you like poop?
Otyugh 2: Me like poop, you like poop?
Now Gog the All-Seeing, Otyugh Seer from the very unfinished Otyughnomicon would be more loquacious because he has an Intelligence of 13.
Gog: Once you have picked through the detritus of society for as long I have walked this plane, you tend to learn a few things. One of those universal items is that poop is good.
I've gotta agree with Jack. What could be cooler than breathing life into the classics.
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Our initial idea for the "line" of classic monster books was to kind of do it by type (so we did humanoid/monstrous humanoid, but we might do one for giants, undead, and so on). That was our idea for the books 6 months ago. Who knows what we might do in the future, though. This thread will likely help us figure out where to go with classic monster books. :)
Personally, I want to see Paizo's take on the Mindflayer, Githyanki and Githzerai cultures and three way conflict. But then I am a huge fan of that trio as a whole and Githyanki specifically. Would like to see a divergence from the whole "lich queen" aspect...it has never really flown to me even in the very enjoyable Incursion storyline. I would like to see those three tied more to Golarion. Perhaps a now vanished empire was the home of the humans that would become the Gith races. They fell before the abberation armies of the Illithid Empire. etc etc.
-Weylin Stormcrowe
Personally, I want to see Paizo's take on the Mindflayer, Githyanki and Githzerai cultures and three way conflict.All three of these are not open content, so don't hold your breath.
I think the problem is he's been holding his breath for too long already.
Or he's cheesing. you know, cause it's fon to due.
And you never get a good look at her bewbs, anyway.
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Our initial idea for the "line" of classic monster books was to kind of do it by type (so we did humanoid/monstrous humanoid, but we might do one for giants, undead, and so on). That was our idea for the books 6 months ago. Who knows what we might do in the future, though. This thread will likely help us figure out where to go with classic monster books. :)
Save some of that goodness for the 3P monster book though!
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I'd kind of like to see a book on the Aberrations of Golarion. Since most of the "Classic" Aberrations are Product Identity, I want to see what fills those niches.
HA! A CHALLENGE!
If I were doing a book about Aberrations of Golarion, limiting it to ten cool, classic, and open content aberrations, I'd do the following:
1: Aboleths
2: Athachs
3: Chokers
4: Chuuls
5: Cloakers
6: Ettercaps
7: Gibbering Mouthers
8: Nagas
9: Otyughs
10: Rust Monsters
I'd buy that book!
Sign me up for that one, James!
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If I were doing a book about Aberrations of Golarion, limiting it to ten cool, classic, and open content aberrations, I'd do the following:
1: Aboleths
2: Athachs
3: Chokers
4: Chuuls
5: Cloakers
6: Ettercaps
7: Gibbering Mouthers
8: Nagas
9: Otyughs
10: Rust MonstersI'd buy that book!
I'd buy this book as well!
But wouldn't Athachs fit better into a Giant book?There are some critters mentioned here that I'd like to second for the Golarion treatment:
-Aranea
-Troglodytes
-Lamia
-Sahuagin
-Gargoyles
-Harpies
-Medusa (sp? Medusae?!)
HA! A CHALLENGE!
If I were doing a book about Aberrations of Golarion, limiting it to ten cool, classic, and open content aberrations, I'd do the following:
1: Aboleths
2: Athachs
3: Chokers
4: Chuuls
5: Cloakers
6: Ettercaps
7: Gibbering Mouthers
8: Nagas
9: Otyughs
10: Rust MonstersI'd buy that book!
SOLD!
I finished reading the book today. It rocks.
I'll gladly support any number of those.
I can totally see a book on fiends (maybe even one per fiend type - devil, daemon, demon), maybe celestials. Giants are nice, and dragons, undead, and so on.
But please, PLEASE, make one about the fey. Those poor nature spirits always get the short end of the stick.
The only problem is that there are not that many fey out there:
Drad
Nymph
Satyr
Sprite
Even with Sprites being three different species, it's a bit short.
But if you throw in classic plants, as well as some other appropriate stuff, you have the whole forest theme:
Treant
Shambling Mound
Assassin Vine
Centaur
Unicorn
Blink Dog
I'd love to see a sequel to classic monsters revisited. In my perfect world of imagination, I'd like to see one each for demons, devils, celestials, and undead, and then one that covers:
Generally, I agree with the monsters, but I want to comment on some of those you mentioned:
Drow: Always a seller, but I guess that since they'll apparently have a major role in Second Darkness, we might get that one as a Pathfinder article.
Lamias: They'd have to reproduce those monster entries to tell the whole story.
Ogre Magi: They're mentioned briefly in CMR's Ogre entry (Ogres in Golarion), where it is said that the Kreegs claim to have decended from some powerful Ogre Mages. It seems that their constant inbreeding has taken care first of their magical powers, then of their sanity and looks.
Other than that, they would fit into the Oriental Adventures book, since they have a strong asian flavour.
The Tarrasque: Hm... A whole write-up for a singular creature? Especially Big T who's supposed to show up only once every couple of decades? I'm not quite sure.
Of course, they could probably come up with something great for the Tarrasque, but nevertheless, I'd say that he should take a backseat to those critters that appear more often.
Just wondering but would it be possible to alter some of the monsters in the MM much like is being done with the classes. For example I have always thought that Angels would make a much better choice for the Neutral Good slot than the Gaurdinals. Why Archons and Angels are both lawful good does not make much since to me. And as mentioned above the Athach would make a better Giant than it would an aberration. Another thing is the Sphinx, do we really need a completely differant sphinx for the sphinx to have variation in its alignment and sex for that matter. These are just a few examples where stat blocks could use some tweeking.
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But please, PLEASE, make one about the fey. Those poor nature spirits always get the short end of the stick.
The only problem is that there are not that many fey out there...
Maybe in the SRD... but the category itself is pretty wide open. There's a LOT of Fey creatures in the game if you go back through the years that are also classic monsters. Let's see...
1: Siren
2: Pixie
3: Nymph
4: Satyr
5: Dryad
6: Leprechaun
7: Redcap
8: Nixie
9: Neried
10: Sylph
SOLD!
HA! A CHALLENGE!
If I were doing a book about Aberrations of Golarion, limiting it to ten cool, classic, and open content aberrations, I'd do the following:
1: Aboleths
2: Athachs
3: Chokers
4: Chuuls
5: Cloakers
6: Ettercaps
7: Gibbering Mouthers
8: Nagas
9: Otyughs
10: Rust MonstersI'd buy that book!
I'll raise you 5 bucks. :oP
HA! A CHALLENGE!
If I were doing a book about Aberrations of Golarion, limiting it to ten cool, classic, and open content aberrations, I'd do the following:
1: Aboleths
2: Athachs
3: Chokers
4: Chuuls
5: Cloakers
6: Ettercaps
7: Gibbering Mouthers
8: Nagas
9: Otyughs
10: Rust MonstersI'd buy that book!
Remove Chuuls (or maybe Chockers) and put in a section on Grell/Gricks and how they are really offshoots of the same aberrant species/experiments/what-have-you, and I'd be interested...
Greg
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Cloakers are so neglected. I mean, they have huge underground cities full of slaves, sinister Cloaker Lords and access to the Demiplane of Shadow. Highly intelligent and charismatic, they make ideal sorcerers and warlocks I plan to use them heavily in my Underdark campaign - and I would very much like to see Paizo's take on them.
Cloakers are so neglected. I mean, they have huge underground cities full of slaves, sinister Cloaker Lords and access to the Demiplane of Shadow. Highly intelligent and charismatic, they make ideal sorcerers and warlocks I plan to use them heavily in my Underdark campaign - and I would very much like to see Paizo's take on them.
Did you see the awesome article on them in Kobold Quarterly 4? Might tide you over until Paizo gets to them. ;)
I'll add a vote for the uber-kewl Githyanki and Githzerai.
Oh and Pseudodragons of course (should) rule. Anyone else want to see a Greater Pseudodragon variant?
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I'll add a vote for the uber-kewl Githyanki and Githzerai.
Paizo CANNOT do anything on Githzerai, Githyanki, Beholders, or Mind flayers. They are closed WotC IP, not part of the SRD or OGL, and therefore not allowed in any product other than that put out by WotC. As a result, Beholders, Gith, and Mind Flayers cannot and do not exist in Golarion. Putting them in there would be a violation of the OGL. Really.
But please, PLEASE, make one about the fey. Those poor nature spirits always get the short end of the stick.
The only problem is that there are not that many fey out there...
Maybe in the SRD... but the category itself is pretty wide open. There's a LOT of Fey creatures in the game if you go back through the years that are also classic monsters. Let's see...
1: Siren
2: Pixie
3: Nymph
4: Satyr
5: Dryad
6: Leprechaun
7: Redcap
8: Nixie
9: Neried
10: Sylph
This line up would rock!
I'll add a vote for the uber-kewl Githyanki and Githzerai.Paizo CANNOT do anything on Githzerai, Githyanki, Beholders, or Mind flayers. They are closed WotC IP, not part of the SRD or OGL, and therefore not allowed in any product other than that put out by WotC. As a result, Beholders, Gith, and Mind Flayers cannot and do not exist in Golarion. Putting them in there would be a violation of the OGL. Really.
I thought anything in MM1 was fair game?
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I thought anything in MM1 was fair game?I'll add a vote for the uber-kewl Githyanki and Githzerai.Paizo CANNOT do anything on Githzerai, Githyanki, Beholders, or Mind flayers. They are closed WotC IP, not part of the SRD or OGL, and therefore not allowed in any product other than that put out by WotC. As a result, Beholders, Gith, and Mind Flayers cannot and do not exist in Golarion. Putting them in there would be a violation of the OGL. Really.
Nope. Common misconception. Gith, Beholders, and Mind Flayers are closed content. Same goes for gauth, carrion crawlers, displacer beasts, kuo-toas, slaad, umber hulks, and yuan-ti. Linky! Truthfully, none of those are SO important that I think Golarion will suck for their omission.
In fact, they could have gotten away with doing the same with Inevitables, Aboleths, Chuul, etc. (Though I'm glad they didn't)
I'll add a vote for the uber-kewl Githyanki and Githzerai.Paizo CANNOT do anything on Githzerai, Githyanki, Beholders, or Mind flayers. They are closed WotC IP, not part of the SRD or OGL, and therefore not allowed in any product other than that put out by WotC. As a result, Beholders, Gith, and Mind Flayers cannot and do not exist in Golarion. Putting them in there would be a violation of the OGL. Really.
Fair point.
Pseudodragons remain on the table though.
I'd like to throw my vote in for Classic Monsters II to be Undead focused. I love your undead better then just about anywhere else I've seen. Attack Whisperer in particular.
The aberrations book sounds interesting, but for my money, I'd rather see more of the "classic" monsters before purely a book on Aberrations - monsters like drow, trogs, sahaugin, grimlocks, Giants, etc.
[Edit: After looking at the open content list, add owlbears, stirges, djinni and efreeti to the classic list, as well.]
That said, I would love to see a Monsters Revisited book on Undead, Paizo-style (especially Golarian-style). That would totally rock.