I apologize if this question has been asked before or if I am asking an obvious question, but I hadn't found any direct answers. It seemed like the only things I found were assumptions that AoO could could be taken during your ongoing turn and an Advice thread asking HOW a Wolf could get Greater Trip (Dirty Fighting).
Special: This feat counts as having Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, and Improved Unarmed Strike for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites.
Anyway, this is all speculative for my Wolf Companion (Nature Oracle so he has 6 Int). I've given them the Dirty Fighting Feat and also the Improved Trip, Improved Grapple, Greater Trip, Ki Throw. and Binding Throw Feats.
My two questions are: Are there any rules that support the use of AoO during your own turn?
And assuming that AoO can be taken on your turn, is this correct?
Bite Succeeds > Trip Succeeds > AoO from Trip > Ki Throw Movement > Binding Throw Grapple?
(EDIT) Apparently Pathbuilder has a bug that Dirty Fighting doesn't qualify for Improved Unarmed Strike for Ki Throw and other feats, despite having an Improved Combat Maneuver feat in its prerequisites.
Also, for clarification this is a Druid Level 16/HD 13 pet fo a Level 12 character min-maxing their animal companion.
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Yes, you can use AOOs during your own turn. Many builds focused on combat maneuvers rely on this.
The correct order of your abilities would be:
Bite > Trip (modified by Ki Throw) > AOO from Trip > Binding Throw (as swift)
Notice the Ki Throw modifies the regular trip by allowing you to trip in a different square, so it doesn't "trigger" separately. You force the target to fall prone on another square rather than the their own.
This "bug" you are mentioning is happening where? RAW, Dirty Fighting does count as Improved Unarmed Strike for feats that are either an improved combat maneuver feat as well as those that have those as a pre-requisite.
Ki Throw has Improved Trip and Improved Unarmed Strike as pre-requisite, so it clearly qualifies.
2 things.
1. If the wolf can use ki throw (which is the next part), it happen before the aoo from the tripping. as the ki throw IS part the trip and the aoo is the result of it.
but then we go to-
2. i don't think the wolf can use ki throw. even if he can get the requirement. using the feat itself call for an unarmed trip. which is NOT the same as tripping after biting. the feat say:
"On a successful unarmed trip attack against a target your size or smaller..
this is probably to make sure one doesn't throw someone after tripping him with a weapon. but this limit lock it right into only unarmed attack being used to throw. the fact the wolf count as having the improved unarmed strike for feats. doesn't mean he uses it when he attack.
this is a R.A.W. nit-picking and some GM might allow it, but as this is the rules forum so I had to nit-pick.
@Sir Longears: Ah, thanks for clarifying. All the places I saw online said th AoO before the target falls prone so I thought the movement would be after the AoO. Thank you for clarifying.
@zza nl: I didn't catch that... kind of wish I had three feats to spare now. Feral Combat Training would fix this, but it requires Weapon Focus Bite and Improved Unarmed Strike (No Dirty Fighting cheating sadly).
Thanks for pointing that out. It's unfortunate, would have been cool. Lol
(Edit) Sorry, forgot this part. To answer Sir Longears, Pathbuilder is an app to build Pathfiner 1e characters. Lots of minor bugs like this one though unfortunately. Pathbuilder 2e is lots better in terms of functionality.
I’m going to have to disagree with Zza ni on this one. “Armed” Unarmed Attacks: Sometimes a character's or creature's unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed (see natural attacks).
Improved Unarmed strikes and natural attacks both count as “armed” UNARMED attacks so your wolfs bite attack should qualify.
sorry, but can you point out where did you ever find that natural attack is an unarmed attack? because as far as i know that has never been the rule. (the opposite, where a monk's unarmed strike count as natural for spells and such is something else)
Unarmed is unarmed. whether it threat or provoke is one thing but natural attack is NOT unarmed attack and never have been. (the fact one uses extra attacks from high bab and the other doesn't should pretty much show it's not even the same class of things)
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Unfortunately PF1e uses some terms interchangeably and that causes confusion. For all the faults of 2e, on this notion they have improved remarkably.
Unarmed attacks are attacks that do not use physical weapons and thus provoke AOOs. There are ways, however, for an unarmed attack to be considered "armed", which are listed on the quote that Trokarr provided.
So, in a sense, yes, natural attacks are a type of "armed" unarmed attack, because while the natural weapon is very deadly, it is still not a physical weapon, and the same is true for a touch spell.
This, however, doesn't mean that the RAI of Ki Throw allows for it to be used with natural weapons. This notion is reinforced by the existence of the Feral Combat Training feat and even by the feat having "Ki" in its name, which links to the monk class which uses unarmed strikes and notoriously can't use natural weapons with its abilities.
On the other hand, I agree that RAW it could be interpreted that natural weapons are allowed with natural weapons, even if it is not my personal interpretation.
guys. i am sorry seem like i was wrong.
while natural weapons are were separated from unarmed attacks, so if you go into the combat section you will see that under the headline of 'attack' (under 'standard action') there are several separate sub headlines:
'Melee Attacks', 'Unarmed Attacks', 'Ranged Attacks', 'Natural Attacks' and 'Multiple Attacks'.
it seem they ARE unarmed attacks in a way:
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“Armed” Unarmed Attacks: Sometimes a character’s or creature’s unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed
which mean it is an unarmed attack that is considered armed (and have it's own rules) it is not an 'unamred strike' (which is a specific form of an unarmed attack), but for the feat such an attack was not required. all that it say was using an 'unarmed trip'. which natural weapon should be enough to count as.
@Sir Longears - I think, after reading more from this thread, that Feral Combat Training is more so for feats that specifically call out using an Unarmed Strike in their description, since there is a difference regarding Unarmed Attack and Unarmed Strikes.
For example, Adder Strike and School Strike each specify "Unarmed Strike" in their description, while Stunning Fist and Stupidying Strike use "Unarmed Attack" (apparently there is a ruling where Touch Spells using Stunning Fist targets AC not Touch AC).
So in the case of Feral Combat Training, it'd let them use their Natural Attacks for Adder Strike and School Strike, but wouldn't change that they already qualified to be used for feats like Stunning Fist and Stupifying Strike. I'm assuming Unarmed Trip just means you aren't using a manufactured weapon, like an Unarmed Attack.
Also I like the mental picture of a Wolf biting someone, throwing them to the ground, and pinning them there.