In the chat last night (held here), Erik Mona said that if Paizo sold 10,000 copies of the Pathfinder Gazetteer, Paizo would look into making globes of Golarion! So, if you know any gamers looking for Christmas presents, the Gazetteer would be perfect. Pre-order yours today! [/huckster]
I was planning on getting the Gazeteer anyway.. Heh, maybe a pre-order is in order.
In the chat last night (held here), Erik Mona said that if Paizo sold 10,000 copies of the Pathfinder Gazetteer, Paizo would look into making globes of Golarion! So, if you know any gamers looking for Christmas presents, the Gazetteer would be perfect. Pre-order yours today! [/huckster]
Ha! Now, that would be cool.
Pre-ordered!!
I was on the fence for when I'd get it, but even the possibility of a globe of a fantasy world was too much for me.
Is this even remotely plausible? Do we know (even to an order of magnitude) how many copies of Pathfinder are out there? (I'm not asking Paizo staff to reveal trade secrets; I'm asking if these numbers have already been released.)
Would buy.
And will buy the Gazetteer, which I decided to long before I heard about the globe.
That would be great! I'll pre-order my copy through my FLGS next time I'm there.
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I planned on getting the Gazeteer, might have to pre-order now.
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If everyone who buys Pathfinder bought the Gazetteer, we'd be pretty close to 10,000 right there.
I'm not saying we WILL make globes, incidentally, just that I'll look into it. If it can be done affordably and if there seems to be an audience for it, we'll definitely consider it.
So preorder away! :)
--Erik
The full Pathfinder chat summary for 10/9 is here.
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I'm not saying we WILL make globes, incidentally, just that I'll look into it. If it can be done affordably and if there seems to be an audience for it, we'll definitely consider it.
Man, I love this idea. There has to be a way to make it affordable.
It doesn't have to be the kind of fancy globe you see in a library or private den. It could be an inflatable globe, made of some glossy plastic, or heck even a paper mache globe.
Keep us posted!
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A 6" globe on a basic plastic frame wouldn't be too expensive, and unless you get into the contured surface work you are only looking at some semi flexible stickers.
They can sell globes for less than 10$ at wal mart, should be able to get a golarion one for 20$ (at a guess)
(PS: I am a mechanical engineer with some background in injection molded part design. I will gladly volunteer to get paid to help with any design tasks that come up. I may also know of an alternative way to get a prototype done.)
Which makes me wonder, what is the axial tilt of Golarion?
It's the average HD of all creatures on the planet, or somewhere just above 1. ;)
I was going to suggest surface of an inflatable beach ball. That would make it easier to ship. ;-)
I like Pathfinder (mostly), but big thumbs down on anything Golarion. (Yeah, I know - I'm in a tiny minority - at least on the Paizo boards.)
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If everyone who buys Pathfinder bought the Gazetteer, we'd be pretty close to 10,000 right there.
--Erik
Well since as the DM I'm the only one to get pathfinder (that and I'm the only one out of college)- and we were told the Gazetteer would be player friendly - each person in my gaming group is getting a Gazetteer for xmas as a "here - become as excited as I am about the world we're playing in!" present... so this one subscription is netting multiple Gazetteers! everyone else do that same - get your players as excited as you are!
If everyone who buys Pathfinder bought the Gazetteer, we'd be pretty close to 10,000 right there.
I'm not saying we WILL make globes, incidentally, just that I'll look into it. If it can be done affordably and if there seems to be an audience for it, we'll definitely consider it.
So preorder away! :)
--Erik
I just pre-ordered a copy! How about a "This is how many more more orders we need" graphic bar on the side of the main Pathfinder page so we can see the progress toward you looking into Globes?
As an aside, when will the Deluxe Pathfinder Subscription and Planet Stories Subscription be available to order?
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I just pre-ordered a copy! How about a "This is how many more more orders we need" graphic bar on the side of the main Pathfinder page so we can see the progress toward you looking into Globes?
Yeah, I'd like one of those bars too so that I know how many extra copies to order and distribute to friends in order to meet the quota. ;)
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I think the least expensive route would be to take the map of the world and break it up into one of those maps that look like thinly sliced orange segments at the top. (I'm no cartographer, obviously) Take care to make sure the edges line up nicely and provide little tabs on the edges. Print it on card stock. Then folks at home can cut it out and glue the tabs together and have a paper globe. It's not all fancy, but it gets the point across.
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Personally, I think the globe would be cheapest and most useful if it were actually laid out on an icosahedron that could be folded flat and reassembled. Plus it would be pretty appropriate for a rpg globe. It could be printed and shipped flat, and you could use most of it flat too. I posted this in another thread about Golarion globes and still think it's the best way to go.
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I'm not really interested in 'cheap' for these globes (if they happen). If I'm going to buy a globe, I want it to be a freakin' globe. One with a metal base, the little metal brace on one side that marks latitudes, and a big ol' planet in the middle that spins on it's axis. Since I don't imagine that the demand will be huge on these things, don't sacrifice quality. Go for the premium stuff and make them limited edition if you have to. I'd gladly pay $40-60 for something like that. If all you want is a map of the planet, the Gazetteer should cover that pretty well already.
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If you look into a company called zcorp (cleverly zcorp.com) they have 3-dimensional printers available that can print in full color. If you can lay the bitmap on the surface, you can get the globe printed in 32 bit color.
Cost is about 2-3$/ square inch.
Not something you want to use for production, but a kick ass GenCon display (maybe raffled off at the end)
I'm not really interested in 'cheap' for these globes (if they happen). If I'm going to buy a globe, I want it to be a freakin' globe. One with a metal base, the little metal brace on one side that marks latitudes, and a big ol' planet in the middle that spins on it's axis. Since I don't imagine that the demand will be huge on these things, don't sacrifice quality. Go for the premium stuff and make them limited edition if you have to. I'd gladly pay $40-60 for something like that. If all you want is a map of the planet, the Gazetteer should cover that pretty well already.
This sounds like what I would be interested in as well!
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While a real globe would be cool, I think it would have less utility than my suggestion, at least for me. And unfortunately, at this time, my games budget does not extend to decorative products.
A map laid out flat like a world map would be okay, or one laid out as an icosahedron that was just a map would be even better as an alternate product for me. I would buy that, and while it would make me cry, I would not buy a fancy globe.
I'd buy a few copies if it meant we get to do a globe.
I'd like to see either a fancy, collector's edition type globe, or a less fancy plastic one, or the inflatable, beach ball type globe, in that order. I wouldn't be terribly interested in something I'd have to put together myself. Mainly because I'd probably screw it up...
Same reason I like prepainted minis over unpainted...
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I'm not really interested in 'cheap' for these globes (if they happen). If I'm going to buy a globe, I want it to be a freakin' globe. One with a metal base, the little metal brace on one side that marks latitudes, and a big ol' planet in the middle that spins on it's axis. Since I don't imagine that the demand will be huge on these things, don't sacrifice quality. Go for the premium stuff and make them limited edition if you have to. I'd gladly pay $40-60 for something like that. If all you want is a map of the planet, the Gazetteer should cover that pretty well already.
Ditto. Let's go all out :) I'd pony up the cash for this! It'd be the first fantasy world with this kind of map. Talk about awesome!
You have to contact them for pricing, and they are far from the only ones...but:
I like Pathfinder (mostly), but big thumbs down on anything Golarion. (Yeah, I know - I'm in a tiny minority - at least on the Paizo boards.)What don't you like?
Well, since you asked... :)
Adaptability is my major concern. I'm a huge adventure path fan, and I was hoping Pathfinder would be close to Dungeon in terms of what an AP would look like. The Dungeon APs were extremely easy to adapt to a homebrew setting - Pathfinder, OTOH, is not.
There is simply way-ay-ay too much Golarion stuff in Pathfinder, which makes adaptation to one's home campaign (FR in my case) to be fairly arduous (not to mention the decreased utility in each Pathfinder book as more and more pages end up being ignored). When I saw a previous post of Erik's talking about adventures on Golarion's moon, or about other planets, I nearly choked. (An extreme example, to be sure, but it is evidence on how much world-building is taking an (overly) prominent role with Pathfinder; and that's ignoring the supposedly important role another planet plays in the upcoming Gamemastery Pharaoh module. Whoah!)
Like I said, though - I know I'm in a tiny minority (on the Paizo boards, at least) as this whole "Golarion" setting seems to be very popular. Oh well. (I'll buy Pathfinder - stopping at 4e - but any world-related "Gazetteer" gets an immediate no purchase from me.)
Meh.. WOTC is raping the Realms anyway. Been playing there for over 10 years (a small venture into Kalamar though), but now I'm preparing to move over to Golarion (starting with Curse of the Crimson Throne).
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I'm not really interested in 'cheap' for these globes (if they happen). If I'm going to buy a globe, I want it to be a freakin' globe. One with a metal base, the little metal brace on one side that marks latitudes, and a big ol' planet in the middle that spins on it's axis. Since I don't imagine that the demand will be huge on these things, don't sacrifice quality. Go for the premium stuff and make them limited edition if you have to. I'd gladly pay $40-60 for something like that. If all you want is a map of the planet, the Gazetteer should cover that pretty well already.
Agreed.
Oh, and I'll wait for that "super-deluxe subscription" too.|
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Well, since you asked... :)
Adaptability is my major concern. I'm a huge adventure path fan, and I was hoping Pathfinder would be close to Dungeon in terms of what an AP would look like. The Dungeon APs were extremely easy to adapt to a homebrew setting - Pathfinder, OTOH, is not.
There is simply way-ay-ay too much Golarion stuff in Pathfinder, which makes adaptation to one's home campaign (FR in my case) to be fairly arduous (not to mention the decreased utility in each Pathfinder book as more and more pages end up being ignored). When I saw a previous post of Erik's talking about adventures on Golarion's moon, or about other planets, I nearly choked. (An extreme example, to be sure, but it is evidence on how much world-building is taking an (overly) prominent role with Pathfinder; and that's ignoring the supposedly important role another planet plays in the upcoming Gamemastery Pharaoh module. Whoah!)
Like I said, though - I know I'm in a tiny minority (on the Paizo boards, at least) as this whole "Golarion" setting seems to be very popular. Oh well. (I'll buy Pathfinder - stopping at 4e - but any world-related "Gazetteer" gets an immediate no purchase from me.)
Yeah, I don't think you're going to like what we do, then. Thanks for checking it all out, though. :)
Meh.. WOTC is raping the Realms anyway. Been playing there for over 10 years (a small venture into Kalamar though), but now I'm preparing to move over to Golarion (starting with Curse of the Crimson Throne).
I've got to agree with you there, though. If there's any time for Paizo to be pushing a nifty campaign world, it's definitely now (thanks to the butchering of FR).
It would be nice to see Paizo/Pathfinder/Gamemastery explode in popularity as FR bleeds fans, as they abandon that setting wholesale.
I like Pathfinder (mostly), but big thumbs down on anything Golarion. (Yeah, I know - I'm in a tiny minority - at least on the Paizo boards.)
You aren't alone. I have been ripping off parts from Pathfinder and Gamemastery modules for lots of stuff lately. Handy that I needed a haunted house... I tossed out the adventure I had planned and dropped in Pett's.
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There is VERY little about the background setting of our stuff that can't be subbed out for something else in someone's home game. The only real difference between this and Dungeon is that we have more room to run backdrops than in Dungeon, and we're using our own proper nouns instead of ones owned by Hasbro.
Honestly, what in "Burnt Offerings" was difficult to translate to FR? The module itself would work with very few changes (swap Desna with, say, Lathander and you're good to go), and even Thassilon can be subbed for one of umpteen million ancient FR civilizations with not too much difficulty.
Sure, we've joked about setting a GameMastery adventure on the moon, but even if we did it wouldn't have any impact on the Pathfinder Adventure Paths, and if you don't buy that one adventure, what difference does it make?
Likewise, though there is a reference to another planet in "Entombed," you hardly have to use it as writen. And what, there's no other planets in your campaign?
--Erik
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I have been ripping off parts from Pathfinder and Gamemastery modules for lots of stuff lately. Handy that I needed a haunted house... I tossed out the adventure I had planned and dropped in Pett's.
Our expectation is that a sizable number of people are doing this rather than playing everything exactly as written.
--Erik
If everyone who buys Pathfinder bought the Gazetteer, we'd be pretty close to 10,000 right there.
I'm not saying we WILL make globes, incidentally, just that I'll look into it. If it can be done affordably and if there seems to be an audience for it, we'll definitely consider it.
So preorder away! :)
--Erik
I'm definitely getting Gazetteer and anything else that is solidly 'campaign setting' material for Golarion and vicinity (like the red planet), but I am not much for pre-ordering because it robs me of my control of shipping costs, which are rather high with my being in China. One wonders how much of what you do is based on preorder?
Whatever. It doesn't matter... you guys have done everything I want so far with or without my asking.
But hey I'm certainly in there for a globe, but that's gonna be a helluva problem to make a profit off of, isn't it? A rolled print quality poster map of the whole world that ships in a kick ass tube would be a fine subsitute. Put a cool projection on it, and by that I mean choose a projection that doesn't distort the world too much--depends on what your continents look like.
I've mentioned this before as have others.
What I never mentioned is THIS IDEA HERE:
IDEA:
A good navigable projection of the entire globe of Golarion that has continents, seas, countries and only the largest cities marked. BUT it would have the ink drawn look of an actual compilation of explorer's maps such as the sort you might find on the wall in a deep, dark secret chamber of the Pathfinder's guild.
... or not.
Probably somebody has already tossed that idea out there...
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Sure, we've joked about setting a GameMastery adventure on the moon, --Erik
That'd be cool ... I have, as part of my current campaign arc, one leg of the adventure planned for travelling to the moon of my gameworld (Innana). The celestial bodies in the sky are treated as different "layers" of the Prime (similar to how the Great Wheel cosmology has different layers of the outer planes), so the metaphysical laws of the world would be slightly different from the 'mother planet'. I hadn't heard of anyone else thinking of doing a similar adventure trek - I'd be really interested to see how you guys treat the whole process!
BTW, a Golarian globe is a sweet concept - don't give up on the idea. Makes me wonder why nobody hadn't thought of that previously (for other major game worlds, like Abeir-Toril or Oerth).
Firstly:
Erik Mona wrote: "and even Thassilon can be subbed for one of umpteen million ancient FR civilizations with not too much difficulty."
Very true...the only problem there with FR is figuring out which one to use flavor wise. There just too darn many of them. One of my personal beefs with FR. The level of ancient magics (far too much of which is quantified) and the book characters. Golarion is giving me a chance to start fresh and flesh things out with Paizo's help. Even Greyhawk (my CS of choice, until now) has an Iconic/Canonical character problem, though nowwhere near as pervasive as in FR.
Must convince the wife, but I am definately going to buy the Gazeteer. I am working right now on selling her on the idea of subscribing to Pathfinder as well (why not if I am going to buy them anyway, might as well get subscription cost...see babe..?). And should you guys produce a globe....I am SO there. Just the fact that you guys came up with that idea only again emphasizes why I love Paizo so much.
