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C
My gaming group is towards the end of Shackled City right now, and I expect we will finish by next summer, so the timing isn't bad. However, I really wanted to give the other APs a shot and really hate converting stuff. Also, I haven't even broached to my group what they want to do.
For me, it isn't so much "I've bought all these books and need to get the most out of them." I mean, I bought every 1st and 2nd edition book, and yet I jumped into 3rd edition as well. However, I jumped into 3.5e about 3 years ago, so I feel like I am just getting my feet under me. Having to adopt a new system just as I am getting used to the old makes me a bit cranky. :) Also, my "old grognard" barometer is going haywire as I read the bits that are being leaked about 4e. I love the idea of making it easier to run. I love the idea about characters not running out of things to do. I love the idea about high levels being less broken. But comments like "it will be so different that you will have trouble converting" leave me a bit queasy. :)
But, I've switched with every new edition and I doubt this one will be any different unless it is a total disaster. I have worked with many of the designers and like their work. And if game play is faster to run, I won't have to rely so much on Jeremy as my rules lawyer at each game. :) But until I have seen the rules and digested them, I won't know what my group and I will do. I have a feeling that it will strongly depend on what Paizo does. :)
-Lisa
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
C) We'll see. Need more information.
Some of what I'm hearing doesn't make me happy with the direction WotC is taking their 4e development, but the few bits and pieces that have been released don't give me enough to form a real opinion on the system.
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I'll take answer B without a doubt.
As everyone has mentioned previously, the way the WOTC has handled this entire thing is depressing. I've lost all faith in their company. Although the goal of a company is to make money; there is no reason to be so obviously greedy about it. There was lots of room for more 3.5 products. I would have kept buying; so would my fellow players.
And there is a reason sacred cows are called that. Why get rid of gnomes? Why change fireball? It was the fact that some elements of each edition remained the same that kept me buying them as they changed.
This change is too soon. I want Paizo to stay 3.5! Thanks for asking.
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Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
C
That answer applies to two contexts for me: one in which I'm in the planning stages for a large campaign, and another in which I'm playing in a campaign that's been going since 2002. For the campaign I'm planning, if 4e greatly simplifies things for me (which it looks like it will) while retaining enough flavor (not sure yet), I'll switch over. For the campaign where I'm a player, if 4e looks really good, I'll try to convert the rest of my group. I don't expect to make final decisions until around the time the books come out.
C
My core group of gamers and I have been playing together since 1978 (!) and have played all editions of DND (as well as just about every other major RPG at one time or another.) 3.5 has several major design flaws in our opinions (poor multiclass system, overreliance on magic items vs. character skills and attributes, bad critical hit system to mention a few) that are integral to the system and therefore difficult to repair with simple patches to the rules. (We've tried.) If 4.0 addresses these issues without destroying the flavor and feel of the game, we will switch systems at once and with gratitude. However, having lived through nearly 30 years of this 'time to make a new version 'cause sales are down' nonsense, my expectation is that we'll just be trading one set of problems for another. In that case, better the devil (? demon - stupid monster changes) that we know.
"The race is not always to the swift nor victory to the strong - but that's the way to bet."
Damon Runyon
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
A)
I'm liking a lot of the the changes they've talked about. I'm also enjoying playing Living Greyhawk. Though disappointed that they're retiring it, I enjoy the experience too much - so will be checking out Living FR.
I'll hang on to my 3.5 books, though - too many buddies want to run adventure paths!
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Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
Please pick one. Feel free to elaborate, but please stick to one reply each for this thread. I'm not interested in fights or refutations of incorrect points or baiting or whatever.
I want to know how you, at this moment in time, feel about the idea of converting to a new edition of the game.
I expect that people's answers will change over time. This is not the last time I will ask this question, so we'll have a chance to gauge the issue as we go along.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
I'm sticking with 3.5 for a few more years. Then we will see. Its kinda like Windows Vista...should I use that or stick with Windows XP?
Vista has alot of bugs....XP has slowly reduced the bugs over the years. 4th Edition will have bugs.....wait a few years and see the bugs worked out.Wait a sec.....Wizards in Washington...Microsoft in Washington. I smell conspiracy!!! Dang it!!!
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B) for me. I may decide to make the change after reading the SRD, but from what I read on the WotC site, the changes made to the iconic natures of the game seem to be too much to handle for me (Hidden Flame? Golden Wyvern? What happened to the 8 schools of magic? Spear fighter? Axe fighter? Why different styles based on weaponry?). Who knows, I may change my mind like Erik notes, but I want a game that still feels like the D&D that the past three editions of the game were, not some MMORPG made into a tabletop game to maximize profits by grabbing WoW kids during their offline time.
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I'm going to wait and see what 4e looks like before I decide. I like some of the things they did with BoNS and SW:SE, so I'm opptimistic. Either way I've got my cobbled together Ebberon Campain, Shackled City AP, Age of Worms AP, Savage Tide AP, Rise of the Rune Lords, and Curse of the Crimson Throne to run before I have to decide.
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I have to choose option (B).
I have a ton of 3.5 material both from WOTC and Paizo, which I believe is enough to sustain a couple of campaigns for several years.
Further, with all due respect to the people at WOTC, the quality of the material that they have released the past couple of years generally pale in comparison to the content Paizo was able to provide through Dungeon and Dragon.
So unless there is a reasonable assurance that 4ed. will equal or even exceed the quality of content that I have come to expect from Paizo, then I would have to remain with 3.5 ed for the meantime.
Well, having played since the original 1st ed. days, and having picked up way too much 2nd ed. and 3.0 and 3.5, Myself and my gaming group really can't be bothered getting a new set of books each. Or between us. And given that we've only just completed the Secret of the Soul Pillars, I think we have enough 3.5 material between us to last till we expire.
I think that makes for answer B - sticking with 3.5, regardless of the quality of 4.0.
Reggie
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
Please pick one. Feel free to elaborate, but please stick to one reply each for this thread. I'm not interested in fights or refutations of incorrect points or baiting or whatever.
I want to know how you, at this moment in time, feel about the idea of converting to a new edition of the game.
I expect that people's answers will change over time. This is not the last time I will ask this question, so we'll have a chance to gauge the issue as we go along.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
I fear my answer won't be very helpful to you, but I am compelled to give it just the same.
D) Other.
While I started playing back in 79-80, I haven't been an "active" player since 1986. I've run an AD&D 1e game on RPOL, and, just last Thursday, I sat down at a table with some actual people to play a 3.5e game. With any luck, tonight will be my second go at it.
I am more of a collector, at this point, than a player. As such, I am not angry at the switch simply because some of the 3.0/3.5 books that I haven't been able to purchase yet might drop in price a bit. . ; however, I am a bit tweaked over what happened to my two favorite magazines.
I'll buy what I can from Paizo as it publishes it. Everything I've read has been enjoyable and "inspiring" (in that, hey, I could use that someday--not the: I will live a better life as a Kobold! way.)
While I enjoy the changes electronic media offer (what with all the internet tubes and all), I prefer to read with my hands holding a paper document. The on-line content, which I know so very little about, gives me pause. I do feel like a potential traitor, in that I am interested to see an update of Tsojcanth.--sorry guys!
I'll buy the new stuff, and I'll continue to buy the old stuff--provided finances hold up--and get better!
Keep on keepin' on. You all do wonderful work, and I look forward to future material.
Who knows, maybe you'll be able to do simultaneous releases of 3.5 & 4.0 material. If you need someone to pour over the minutia, I volunteer.
C. Some of what they're announcing is interesting and some is alarming, so I'm taking a "wait and see" approach. I'll look through the SRD before I buy any books, and if it doesn't feel like D&D to me, I'll stick with 3.5.
C.
When they come out I'll thumb through them at my earliest convenience. When 3.0 came out, I was too into other systems to buy. And I am glad I waited! I didn't play 3.5 til about 2 years ago when I got into a group in Seoul. I couldn't find anybody who played what I was playing before, and I didn't want to rebuy a bunch of Rifts, or WW books again. And AoW really, really impressed me!
To be honest with you Mr. Mona, I would advise waiting to see how the market pans out. Yeah, if it's a hit, then by all means go for it. But it seems like it's going to need a revision upon launch, a la 3.0. I doubt my amatuer insights were any help to you, but that is how I see this going down.
C
I am kind of looking forward to some of the changes I’ve heard about, but I don’t have enough information to make a decision. I'm cautiously optimistic, like many others here. I plan on studying the new SRD when it comes out and then making my decision.
However, just from the information I’ve seen, it sounds like the rules will be different enough that there is a good chance that they will need a major correction (ala 3.0 and 3.5) soon after the release of 4.0. So even if I really like 4.0 once I’ve studied its SRD, I will probably wait until 4.5 comes out to convert.
C. Need more info.
Specifically, I need more info on what Paizo is doing. This company has done right by my, and I'm hitching my wagon to their horse. If Paizo sticks with 3.5, I'll stick. If Paizo converts to 4.0, I'll make the switch, too.
And since I'm the DM of my group, where I go, so go my players.
C, but leaning heavily towards B.
The changes I've heard thus far leave a bitter taste in my mouth. The changes to fiends, to the planes, and to monsters in general all sound very, very bad.
If the new rules are mechanically really good, and I can easily keep using the same core story and cosmology I've used for the past few decades, then I'll probably make the change. If the new approach is too entrenched and it's too much of a hassle to bring back the classic elements of the game, or if monsters are too cookie cutter to be truly thematic, then consider me a 3x grognard.
"Given what I know so far, my plan is to:" B: stick with 3.5.
Not necessarily indefinitely, but for the foreseeable future. And for me, that will be at least 3-4 years. The reason being is quite simple: Adventure Paths. I want to DM Age of Worms and Savage Tide, and I haven't started either yet. I also want to run a campaign centered around Expedition to Ruins of Greyhawk. These (and Maure Castle, which I'm DMing now) are the reasons our group moved to 3.5 earlier this year. With the large investment we've made in 3.5 in the last year, I would consider it a waste of money to move to 4ed in the next year. I have limited free time, so pre-canned adventures are a staple of my game, and the adventure paths are perfect for me.
I won't consider "upgrading" all my 3.5 adventures to 4th ed either. I started doing that when I moved from 2ed to 3.0, and it was a long, arduous task. I may convert one or two adventures along the way, but a whole campaign is way out of my league.
I'll probably re-evaluate after finishing Age of Worms (in about 3 years :-) but unless something really amazing happens (like Greyhawk is released in 4th ed in all its glory) I really don't think I'll move on to 4ed. When I've completely run out of interesting 3.5 stuff to run is when I'll start looking at 4ed. And that is a long, long way away.
Greg
C.
i need more information before i start switching how i spend my gaming dollars. i have a huge collection of 3.5 material and i would like to get more out of them, sure, but i also am curious about the whole new system. i'll probably buy the core books, argue about it's pros and cons with my buddies back home, and make a decision based on actual evidence, not messageboard speculation.
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C. Wait and see
I'll likely hold out well into 2009 before converting. I *may* buy the core books 12/08 if the buzz is good. Bottom line, I'll let others beta test it 4E and go into THIS edition with both eyes wide open.
Despite some positive buzz, I am feeling there might be an "Even edition" curse with D&D...2E was the dark ages, and I just don't want to make the mistake of spending money on the 'holocaust' (ie 4E crashing and burning).
I'm looking forward to 4th edition. I'm an optomistic person, so i'm hoping that by next year I should be starting a 4th edition campaign. At the moment we are playing through Savage Tide, at the rate we game, we won't finish until next summer, if ever.
Most of the other players in my group are sitting on the fence. Only one person is opposed to fourth edition. But he thought 3rd edition sucked as well. Now he is a staunch 3rd edition supporter.
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
Please pick one. Feel free to elaborate, but please stick to one reply each for this thread. I'm not interested in fights or refutations of incorrect points or baiting or whatever.
I want to know how you, at this moment in time, feel about the idea of converting to a new edition of the game.
I expect that people's answers will change over time. This is not the last time I will ask this question, so we'll have a chance to gauge the issue as we go along.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
So Erik, I know Dave Noonan and Mike Mearls have both said that they reached a point where they preferred 4th edition (albiet they DO work for WotC). I value their opinions though, mostly because I have read their work and respect their judgment when it comes to all things D&D - I mean Mike Mearls was the author behind the Faceless One for crying out loud!
You are the grand architect behind the Age of Worms, and someone whom I consider to be the rightful custodian of the World of Greyhawk. Out of curiosity, if you had to answer your own question, which option would you choose? Do you believe the new system will be worthy of becoming the next evolution of D&D?
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
Everything I hear about the new rules sounds very good. They're addressing my biggest concerns with 3e, and I'm sure they'll do a better job than I would.
Besides, I'm a new-rules junkie. Have been ever since Dragon Magazine started publishing alternate rules for pummeling, initiative and the like back around the #50's and #60's. Unearthed Arcana? Check. Player's Option? Check. Mixing and matching AD&D and Basic D&D? Check. Alternity rules in a fantasy setting? Check. Dragonlance Fifth Age? Well, we did try one session.
New rules keep the game fresh, and often inspire new challenges.
Also, I like the new fluff so far. My biggest (only?) disappointment with 3e has been its heavy emphasis on rules (Feats!, Prestige Classes!, and Spells!) but a dearth of great adventures and new lore to inspire our games. (Fortunately, Paizo has been there to fill this void.)
After 25 years, I've got shelves full of old books and adventures that fit the old mold. The 4e tidbits about using historical/mythical gods, "points of light," and messing with the cosmology of D&D seems like a breath of fresh air. I hope that stuff shows up in the final books, because it's already filled my head with campaign ideas I can't wait to try out.
I feel that Paizo's adventures will be a great fit for the new rules. D0, D1, and W1 seem perfect for the feel they say they're trying to evoke for 4e. And Golarion is still young. It could easily be adjusted to incorporate the new stuff.
If you've got an empire of demon/devil-worshippers, it's not too hard to have tieflings. Call them either "demon-spawn" or "god-touched" based on your point of view, put them in a special position in the empire, and you're good to go. There don't have to be many of them, and they don't need to ever appear in Paizo adventures.
As for the cosmology, it's already been said that the Great Wheel isn't OGL, so there doesn't need to be any conflict.
If Paizo doesn't adapt Pathfinder/Golarion to 4e, then I'll just have to do it myself. (Unless, by some miracle, WOTC suddenly starts publishing great adventures without help from any Paizons. And they ditch the Delve Format.)
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
Oh, and if I convert to 4e ASAP, my wife will only have to learn one set of rules to last for the next many years. Now if I can just find a leaked copy of the playtest rules...
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
Right now C.
I have a campaign running in the Iron Kingdoms (pirate fun), Ptolus, and starting Pathfinder. ( We do seasons of campaign worlds)
I feel wizards has lost any support from me with terrible PR. The fluff changes feel overall wrong. Their attitude to the fans more so. I might get the Player's Guide.
I will say your run in Dungeon magazine got my group playing again. To a certain degree I want to see what Paizo decides to do. Ive been happy with Pathfinder so far. I want to see what you as writers feel this new system lends to your skills. If Pathfinder switches I will heavily consider switching.
B. I could go on and on and ON about my feelings on 4th ed, but I save that vitriol for my weekly and monthly gaming groups. I'm sure 4th ed will have some interesting ideas that I will fold into my 3.5 games. But I can't shake the feeling that 4th ed is going to be a pyhrric victory for WOTC and simply replace old fans with new ones, breaking even financally.
C.) I see no reason to make a decision until I have the actual product in hand.
I pick "D" from the options given. I wrote more about this on my WWW site at www.drgames.org.
I was out at GENCON and in the room for the announcement. The reaction from the crowd there was not overwhelmingly positive, because the emphasis at the presentation was on the computer and on-line support aspects. I've heard rumblings and rumors that the new version will have a lot in common with the Star Wars Saga game engine.
Looks like I might skip 4 Ed. all together as a player or GM. In the end, I will probably break down and buy the core rule books (PHB, MM & DMG) - who am I fooling? But, that is probably it. I own less than a half a dozen 3.5 books and less than 20 books of 3 + 3.5 and some of those I won at CONS.
In service,
Rich
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Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
That's me. I don't want to change. I'm still miffed that the company that produces 4th edition is also the one that was directly responsible for the end of the magazines.
Even if that were not the case, I have a lot of 3.5 material still to use. Perhaps that is a testament to how much good material was in Dungeon. I definitely want to run the APs I have not.
If I were going to convert, it would be at least four years down the road, I estimate. About the only thing that might get me 'upgrade' is if Paizo goes 4th edition.
I hope and pray you continue to support my 3.5 game.
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I'm torn. A little of A & D.
I'm ready for 4th Edition. Then again, I'm not a 3e fan and feel it can only improve upon 3e if by no other way, drastically reducing the amount of books at the beginning. 4e will erase the glut. At first at least, and that is an amazingly good thing.
That said. Will I actually convert to 4e? I dunno. I'm laying C&C, OD&D and AD&D now. If the new edition is supremely kick ass, then yeah. I will switch. If not? I'll still be glad to see it replace 3e as the official version of the game.
C'mon 4e! =P
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C, but leaning heavily towards B.
Leaning VERY heavily, in my case !
I'll go the same way : I have about 35 books 3.5/3.0, lots of adventures (including paizo's stuff), tiles, flipmat, and other gaming stuff, including old 1st/2nd ed (and their EnWorld conversion) so, it looks like I could play for another 20 years without having used the whole lot of adventures I have !
My players have bought 1-2 books (and for my oldest friend, that was a kind of miracle, since he had never bought a single AD&D book for the last 20 years : he used others' books) and I do not think they would like to buy other books (at least, 2-3 of them 5).
I might read through the PHB, and if things interest me, buy it to convert pieces to 3.0-3.5.
Or use the SRD if there is one !
But I DO feel a little bit angry about WOTC's policy : they did LOTS of books, there was about at least a third, a half, interesting in most of them.
I do feel they could have done less books, with a greater content (and more proofreading), and worked hand in hand with Paizo about adventures and the like.
And what frustrates me is that 4th is not going to be compatible with 3.5.
I do recognize that the 3rd edition is much more technical than basic, 1st or 2nd ed., and it is a difficult game to begin with, but I think they could have done a simplified version to attract new players (that's their goal, after all), then make them discover an increasingly difficult mechanism with all the books they did !
What will happen to all the unsold books ?
They won't be bought by new players...
Just my opinion !
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And I decided I'm going to give the new edition an actual honest chance. Will I convert full time? I dunno.
I've pre-ordered the books and the H1 module. I'll run H1 and decide from there.
I'm not hanging out at the WotC site and checking out the trickle of info, I'm not hanging out on message boards lurking through the 4e threads. For the most part, I'm just waiting and seeing what it looks like when I have the books in hand.
If I don't like it? I still got C&C to play, as well as AD&D 2nd Edition.
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
A) Convert! I am ready for a new D&D.
B) 3.5 or Bust! I'm sticking with the man what brought me.
C) We'll see. Need more information.
D) Other.
Please pick one. Feel free to elaborate, but please stick to one reply each for this thread. I'm not interested in fights or refutations of incorrect points or baiting or whatever.
I want to know how you, at this moment in time, feel about the idea of converting to a new edition of the game.
I expect that people's answers will change over time. This is not the last time I will ask this question, so we'll have a chance to gauge the issue as we go along.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
currently? i'm with B as a player, and it sounds like everyone in my group is as well. we've all spent plenty on books in the last 5 years that we've been playing together, and are not looking forward to having to scrap them all in a few months.
i'm still holding out hope for C, but things don't look so good for me so far. the cosmology changes bug me, and i haven't heard enough good things yet to make up for that. as a past and potential future freelance author, i'd be forced to accept 4E if i want to do mroe work for WotC, so i'd have to accept the system enough to be able to work with it i suppose.
:shrug:
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And to be really, really truthful...
The dark mean-spirited part of me hopes I like 4e and convert to it just so I can dish out crap to the players who stubbornly refuse to let go of 3e like I have been receiving for the past several years for still playing 2nd Edition.
Catch up with the times folks! I don't understand why you are clinging to a dead system! Newer = better, just look at the options! Far superior to your archaic and silly 3e rules. Hahahaha! 3e grognards.
=P
Full circle baby.
A.
Unless something goes horribly wrong I will be converting. I trust that the designers will end up producing a "better" system.
C.
I have hardly gotten to play 3.5 over the years so I am not emotionally attached to the rules system. However, what I have seen of wotc products have been dismal so they will have to wow me with lots of well though out crunch and inspiring fluff, not a lot of filler, before I spend a dime on it.
C.
My gaming groups have heavily invested in 3.5, and are hesistant to look at 4.0. What concerns us most is the rapid release schedule of WotC's reputation, and the playtesting (or lack thereof) that goes with it. With all these apparent new systems in the mix, a 4.5 seems inevitable.
That being said, we're suckers for new combos to break and abuse in a seemingly "balanced" game. Some might say we're powergamers at heart, but the accepted method of play, particularly when trying out a new system, speaks more toward playtesters. We'll rifle through character combos to find the exceptions to the rules and exploit them as much as possible. That's part of the draw of a new D&D, and I suspect that's a draw that WotC is counting on. If we were to convert, it wouldn't be until 2009, after all the first core books are out and someone has gotten the chance to comb through the ruleset in preparation for running a game. Of course, with the rapid release schedule of late, there's still so much in 3.5 to discover that I don't know if converting will be worth the trouble/money.
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And to be really, really truthful...
The dark mean-spirited part of me hopes I like 4e and convert to it just so I can dish out crap to the players who stubbornly refuse to let go of 3e like I have been receiving for the past several years for still playing 2nd Edition.
Catch up with the times folks! I don't understand why you are clinging to a dead system! Newer = better, just look at the options! Far superior to your archaic and silly 3e rules. Hahahaha! 3e grognards.
=P
Full circle baby.
Me, I'm just getting it because I'm a total new rules junkie and a whole new edition means tons of lovely new rules for me to get my jones on.
Plus, the annoying bits don't bother me that much. Sure, it's a hairy pain that they're rearranging the planes again, but it should be easy enough to fix. I mean, if they're just rearranging who's where, and combining succubi and erinyes into succubi (who are devils), who's to say that there isn't a demonic faction of succubi as well? I mean, I hate to say it, but there are a lot of people who are taking the relatively minor changes that WotC is talking about (mostly, that Mearls and Noonan are talking about) and blowing them up into "OMG D&D 4th Edition is NOT D&D! 3E 4EVR!".
Of course WotC is talking about what's changing in 4th Edition right now - they want to tell people that there are enough things that are changing to warrant a new edition.
They can tell people what's staying the same later.
Given what you know so far, are you planning to:
D) Other.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
D) Actually a combined B and C.
I am 60 years old and the DM for my group of 6. We just finished SCAP and are now preparing for a combined Gamemastery/Dungeon magazine campaign. I also have the two other APs, a 1-20 "Dragon Lords", and a 1-30 "Drow Wars" campaign, none of which I have run yet. Also the two Pathfinders APs (RuneLords and the Crimson Throne).
At a 2+ year or so pace to run a 1-20, that gives me 14+ years of games that I can run. Puts me at 74+ years old, and if I make it that far, I may try DnD V6 at that point, or just retire!!
-- david
Papa-DRB
Well, I am still 3.5 or bust; but am certainly trying to gather info on 4e and will keep up on it; there is just so much we havent done and expored in 3.5 yets; seems premature. Of course, I run my own campaign and only use pregenerated stuff like stuff out of Dungeon or Dragon mag for side adventures and Sandpoint will probably find its way into my world on some sandy beach somewhere adventually.
so far from what I know of 4e I still have very little interest in it.
Definitely A. I'm always eager to try something new, and I believe 3.5 needs a lot of "fixing".
That being said, may un-convert down the road if 4.0 just doesn't capture what we enjoy, and plan to still run retro games, try some OD&D or WFRP, do a D20 Modern campaign, etc. etc.
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
D. Other. Continue on with my 2e Realms game, while looting and pillaging (and converting) what elements I can from 4e like an Uthgardt barbarian on a cool winter night. At the same time, this old coot has grown tired of official changes, so it'll have to really catch my attention for me to even glance its way.
At a 2+ year or so pace to run a 1-20, that gives me 14+ years of games that I can run. Puts me at 74+ years old, and if I make it that far, I may try DnD V6 at that point, or just retire!!
hey, that reminds me of something i was thinking about while at my grandmother's retirement home... i wonder how rampant RPGs will be at retirement homes in the next 10-20 years or so as the oldest generation of gamers reaches that point. :) it would be kind of how they spread through the army and prisons; you know, a bunch of guys with plenty of time on their hands, no family and such to keep them occupied. :)
So, given what you know so far, you plan to: _______________.
B -- Stay with v3.5.
I do have large amounts of books and modules of all of the versions of D&D, including many rulesets of my own and my friends' doings. And I will likely purchase the core rulebooks for my library.
However, a friend of mine once told me after an exhausting display of rule production, 'We've made enough rules. Now let's play!'
And a couple of decades later, his words make great sense to me.
But comments like "it will be so different that you will have trouble converting" leave me a bit queasy. :)
Make sure to read that quote in context. A lot of people are reading "unlike 3E, 4E is so different we don't recommend converting."
However, when that quote was made it was in the context of "3E conversion didn't really work. In fact it was so bad we aren't recommending trying with 4E."
More recently they also have pointed out that another issue is that with all the sourcebooks that exist for 3.5 it's very likely that something you use won't initially appear in 4E. You can see those issues popping out in their playtest reports.
What they really seem to be focusing on is that if you choose to do so "adapt" (more of an art) don't "convert" (more of a science).
As for me, if they do what they say they are doing, I plan on converting. I might not actually switch my games over until they have published enough Eberron conversions so that I don't need to adapt too many house rules that will soon be obsolete for a smooth game.
hehe havent you read our groovy retirement thread? seriously, we have one.
At a 2+ year or so pace to run a 1-20, that gives me 14+ years of games that I can run. Puts me at 74+ years old, and if I make it that far, I may try DnD V6 at that point, or just retire!!hey, that reminds me of something i was thinking about while at my grandmother's retirement home... i wonder how rampant RPGs will be at retirement homes in the next 10-20 years or so as the oldest generation of gamers reaches that point. :) it would be kind of how they spread through the army and prisons; you know, a bunch of guys with plenty of time on their hands, no family and such to keep them occupied. :)