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It seems to me the obvious product for Paizo or for Paizo/WotC is either a non-advertisement, thicker stock All-in-1 Adventure Path or a mondo magazine print issue featuring the same thing.
I would expect that such a product, featuring a pullt out map and a few extra goodies would be exceedingly popular. I'd buy it.
It's been hinted at already - but if it's in doubt - I look forward to seeing this! :)
I would love to see the whole thing bound in one volume. However, I hope that it would include more information, including background info, such as stats on Stonemason, more maps, legends, etc.
It's a great series... and I hope they do another Adventure Path campaign after this one.
Squid
Creative Director
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Tantalizing Hint Time:
#1: If we do compile the Shackled City Adventure Path into one book, there will definately be additional content and maps and encounters.
#2: There is indeed going to be a 2nd Adventure Path in Dungeon. We're still working out the details now, but you can expect it to wriggle into the light sometime in the first half of 2005.
Sounds like a great plan James. So this new book will be on the shelves... In time for christmas perhaps? :-)
Hey a guy can dream, can't he?
Tantalizing Hint Time:
#1: If we do compile the Shackled City Adventure Path into one book, there will definately be additional content and maps and encounters.
Absolutely fantastic!!!
Tantalizing Hint Time:
#1: If we do compile the Shackled City Adventure Path into one book, there will definately be additional content and maps and encounters.
First off, I am not a big fan of the Shackled City Adventure Path. I guess you need to buy into the whole thing or not and I guess I like my Dungeon adventures piece meal where I can plop them into an ongoing campaign or use them as side treks. That being said I hope that if they do decide to put these together they sell it on the web site as a separate printing like the Living Greyhawk stuff. I don't want it to take up one of my regular issues of Dungeon.
I love the Cauldron setting. I would love to see the city detailed.
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I would buy it in a second. My only real request is that it include the DM information in a less piece-meal fashion then it was given in the current format. I would love to know the whole story (as a DM) from the beginning as it would help with some potential plot holes. ("Oh, Adimarchus isn't suppose to die to the PCs so early!!") :)
It seems to me the obvious product for Paizo or for Paizo/WotC is either a non-advertisement, thicker stock All-in-1 Adventure Path or a mondo magazine print issue featuring the same thing.
How about something like this becoming the DUNGEON Annual 13th issue. That would completely Rock!
ASEO out
Does anyone have any new information on this? Is it still being considered? I would buy it in a heartbeat and I am sure lots of other people would too.
I would be very interested in seeing the Shackled City adventure path printed in one complete book... Boxed sets are rather passé, a little 2nd Ed, y'know? But I'd definitely like to see it in the confines of a single-text, perhaps something like the format used for Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, with a separate booklet for maps and inserts, perhaps. How many of you get a wee bit tired of flipping back n' forth from the map to the room descriptions? (Me, me, me!) Also, I agree with Monsieur Mona... ya don't wanna start reprinting identical material in Dragon or in Dungeon... start from scratch and publish an entirely new grand-scale adventure booklet. And this time, we can have the whole she-bang done in 3.5, with all the neat little Aura and Lighting descriptions for each encounter, too! Giving to us for some but not all is just teasing.
Also, a few addition to a new Shackled City adventure campaign booklet would be suggestions on using the materials in different established D&D game worlds, like Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, and Eberron.
Y'know, little sidebars like: "For a Forgotten Realms campaign, change Triel Eldurast from a Cleric of Hextor to a Cleric of Bane, and change her Destruction domain to the Hatred domain." Or, "In an Eberron campaign, the half-elves Fario and Fellian may be changelings instead like so: (insert new stat blocks here). The one-armed hobgoblin jailer Zarkad is replaced with a warforged Fighter with a swordbond." Just a suggestion... I think it might have a slightly better draw that way, as it might appeal to those who favor different campaigns.
I don't want to get in the habit of selling the same stuff to the audience twice.
I understand. And I'm sure that there are many who don't want to buy "the same thing" twice. There's still a lot of negative responses to many of the WotC 3.5 books.
I wasn't really sure that I would buy a compiled edition of the Shackled City Adventure Path... until I started running it for the second time. My magazines are getting pretty beat up. I'd happily buy the compilation (what ever format is used) and give my magazines some well-deserved rest.
I've cut out the adventures from each magazine, and put the sheets into those clear plastic sleeves that preserve the paper. Admittedly the sleeves take up alot of room, but the 11 adventures overfill a 3 inch three ring binder. Just a note of how big the book would probably. Although alot of the info is proboably repeated or updated, NPC stats, and city descriptions and such.
IMHO though, I wouldn't buy a compiled AP or really like to see one put out. I mean, if I could just go out and buy it all together, I would feel that I would have gotten less out of the magazines I've bought in the past. Also, when you consider future adventure paths, why put them as individual magazines as adventures at all? If they will eventually be put out compiled, then why not put them out compiled in the first place, and put different adventures in the mag?
I've cut out the adventures from each magazine, and put the sheets into those clear plastic sleeves that preserve the paper. Admittedly the sleeves take up alot of room, but the 11 adventures overfill a 3 inch three ring binder. Just a note of how big the book would probably. Although alot of the info is proboably repeated or updated, NPC stats, and city descriptions and such.
Although I haven't done this with the AP, I do scan my adventures into a program called DM Genie. I use a free OCR program for the location descriptions and then html tag these to the scanned in map. Its very easy to do with the program. And no I don't have any affiliation with the product or anything its just a really cool tool if you have access to a laptop when you run your adventures. Highly recommended, it especially saves your books and magazines from wear and tear. It includes all open source stuff and is pretty easy to add the newer books like Complet Arcane with OCR.
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Let me add my voice to those who would definitely purchase an all-in-one AP1 product. (we're about to finish up Life's Bazaar, maybe tomorrow!) In my dream world, here are the things it would contain:
(a) all the adventures (duh)
(b) update the first few to 3.5
(c) pull out maps for the most important sites
(d) suggestions on adapting the path to various worlds (as mentioned by Maveric28 above) - especially FR (since that's where we play)
(e) incorporation of the web enhancements
(f) I've enjoyed reading the miniatures discussion, perhaps a list of possible WOTC plastic minis to represent major foes and NPCs
(g) a CD-ROM with printable player handouts such as portraits, letters, and maps (ok, I'm really dreaming now)
Just some ideas! I wouldn't feel that having purchased the Dungeon issues was a waste of time, especially if there were benefits such as these above and beyond just having them all in one place.
Let me add my voice to those who would definitely purchase an all-in-one AP1 product. (we're about to finish up Life's Bazaar, maybe tomorrow!) In my dream world, here are the things it would contain:
(a) all the adventures (duh)
(b) update the first few to 3.5
(c) pull out maps for the most important sites
(d) suggestions on adapting the path to various worlds (as mentioned by Maveric28 above) - especially FR (since that's where we play)
(e) incorporation of the web enhancements
(f) I've enjoyed reading the miniatures discussion, perhaps a list of possible WOTC plastic minis to represent major foes and NPCs
(g) a CD-ROM with printable player handouts such as portraits, letters, and maps (ok, I'm really dreaming now)Just some ideas! I wouldn't feel that having purchased the Dungeon issues was a waste of time, especially if there were benefits such as these above and beyond just having them all in one place.
Ditto! Doug worded the product perfectly! I'd buy that in a heart beat! *hint *hint Dungeon staff lurkers : )
I'd buy it for many of the reasons listed above, and I do already own every adventure (bought several as back issues).
Obviously, not EVERYONE will want to buy a compiled Adventure Path product. But then again, not everyone wants to buy every single hackneyed product that WotC spits out just 'cuz it's got a new hardcover. (Frostburn, anyone? Talk about limited appeal...). Frankly, at $30 or more a pop, most of the younger crowd that plays this game just can't afford to make those kind of purchases on a regular basis, and considering the iffy quality of some of the latest products, I don't blame them for not ponying up to the cash register. (but I digress...)
But it looks like duplicating the entire Adventure Path in one package would have quite a few potential buyers. And, lest we forget, there's already an existing precedent... remember the old 1st Ed. products, Scourge of the Slave Lords and the Queen of Spiders supermodules? Both of those products had very little new material in them, yet compiled a few previously published modules into one slick package, and the customers ate them up! At my old gaming store in Colorado, they flew off the shelves. So this kind of thing has happened before, and with some success. And it seems to me that if it will work for modules, which have a relatively long shelf life, then it should work better for magazine-published adventures, as magazines have a shelf life of only two months or so before becoming available only from the publisher directly as a back issue. (Meaning only that Joe Public can't go buy them at his local gameshop.) One more factor which should be considered: Dungeon magazine, excellent though it is, has a relatively small audience compared to the many who play the game and who sit behind the screen. By moving the Adventure Path from Dungeon Magazine and into a separate product, this adventure can find it's way into the hands of those DMs who don't subscribe to Dungeon, but still look for excellent prepublished material to challenge their players.
(Frostburn, anyone? Talk about limited appeal...)Awwww...
Frostburn appeals to me, at least! ;-)
I'm right there with you... though my husband, who is also a gamer, doesn't understand why. I thought Frostburn, despite its limited appeal, was very well done, and I'm looking forward to the next environmentally based book (Sandstorm, I believe) as arctic and desert adventures have long been favorites of mine. I liked the approach of Frostburn, as prior to its release I had to rely on a brief article from Best of Dragon 5 for my arctic adventures.
A mega Shackled City product would be a fantastic idea, "powered up" or not. As of now, before starting this campaign with one of my groups, I'm studying (not just reading) all the installments to familiarize with the complete story arc, all the NPCs, locales, etc, and doing that with a single book (instead of 14 dungeon issues) would spare a lot of time and headaches. Besides, WotC isn't releasing any mega adventure at this time (and I believe they won't do in the future either), something I really miss... Come on, Erik & Co., make us happy!
Forgive my ignorance, but is the city of Cauldron from the adventure path the very same city called Cauldron on the Greyhawk map across the sea to the south of Keoland?
(Frostburn, anyone? Talk about limited appeal...)Awwww...
Frostburn appeals to me, at least! ;-)
Frostburn is my favorite supplement for 3.5 so far. The idea for it seemed pretty limited but it actually had a wide range of useful stuff. And some very classic updated monsters.
I have found frostburn to be decidedly more useful then races of stone and races of destiny put together... I am thinking of getting all of the environmental books and skipping the rest of the races of books actually (I will probably get them eventualy for reasons of completeness, but they will not be any where near the top of my priority list).
Question:
Are we talking about having the whole Cauldron Adventure Path recompiled and put in one issue, or having a single future issue with a brand new Adventure Path mega adventure?
Personally, I'd rather have a mega issue with a new Adventure Path since I already have all the current Adventure Path adventures.
This is especially true if the mega issue will replace one of the monthly issues.
If it will be a 13th issue DUNGEON ANNUAL, then my vote is still for a new Adventure Path, as the greater of two great options.
ASEO out
Question:
Are we talking about having the whole Cauldron Adventure Path recompiled and put in one issue, or having a single future issue with a brand new Adventure Path mega adventure?
Personally, I'd rather have a mega issue with a new Adventure Path since I already have all the current Adventure Path adventures.
This is especially true if the mega issue will replace one of the monthly issues.
If it will be a 13th issue DUNGEON ANNUAL, then my vote is still for a new Adventure Path, as the greater of two great options.ASEO out
From what i undersatnad piazo wants so release the shackled city adventure path as a mega issue... as for annual the editor said on a radio show (mortality.net) a few months ago that it's to much to do a annual and will not be in any of his future plans... they are doing a new Adventure path however it is going to be released like the other adventure path on magazine at at time...
if i'm wrong on any of this please let me know but this is what i undersand
And make it available only to Dungeon subscribers...
insert evil maniacal laughter >here<
Let me add my voice to those who would definitely purchase an all-in-one AP1 product. (we're about to finish up Life's Bazaar, maybe tomorrow!) In my dream world, here are the things it would contain:
(a) all the adventures (duh)
(b) update the first few to 3.5
(c) pull out maps for the most important sites
(d) suggestions on adapting the path to various worlds (as mentioned by Maveric28 above) - especially FR (since that's where we play)
(e) incorporation of the web enhancements
(f) I've enjoyed reading the miniatures discussion, perhaps a list of possible WOTC plastic minis to represent major foes and NPCs
(g) a CD-ROM with printable player handouts such as portraits, letters, and maps (ok, I'm really dreaming now)Just some ideas! I wouldn't feel that having purchased the Dungeon issues was a waste of time, especially if there were benefits such as these above and beyond just having them all in one place.
Doug, you've got the right idea with that CD-ROM. I love my boxed sets, but it's a shame that my handouts haven't been able to keep up with them. Having them available on a digital form (via web enhancements or a CD-ROM) would be a necessity for the modern DM.