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Things around here are vastly different than they used to be, so it's hard to say for sure but I'm pretty darn certain the order reporting part of the software is busted.

Back in the day, the monthly threads would always say "this month's subscription orders are complete" or something similar, but now there's only an "estimated completion" during the initial post.

I would guess a person would run a report for the month's subscription orders, and when that report showed zero items outstanding, they'd post it was complete.

So, this results in the following conclusions:

1. For some reason the "end of shipping" post has gone by the wayside, which is a crying shame because it makes the next one a guess.

2. The "orders complete" report is broken. Or no longer exists. Or something :)

Again, with the loss of the "end of shipping" posts (at least I've been unable to find any for the past few months), it's hard to state that as a fact, but I have pretty strong evidence that if it does exist (and if anyone uses it) it's broken, since my subscriptions haven't shipped since last Spring (i.e. Spring 2022).

I'm not reporting this as a customer support issue because I still have a morbid curiosity what the heck is up - I'm reporting this as a software bug becuase I certainly hope there's a "orders complete" report that someone in CS is actually using, and if so it's broken :)

Hello favorite people!

Not sure whether we should ask for help here or over on GameOn, but one of our three Kingmaker packages was pretty severely damaged during shipping (as mentioned over there, it seems shipping peanuts don't hold up well to 17 or so pounds of merchandise, and once they all flattened the box compressed and split wide open).

Thankfully all the paid product was fine, but with the giant hole in the box, both the pins and both the hero tokens ended up on the floor of a USPS depot somewhere :)

Can we get replacements for the pins and tokens?

Thank you so much,
Amy & Burt Smith
House of Books and Games LLC

Hey there favorite people!

Just checking in because my account seems to be doing the limbo again :)

Something ugly happened to my account a couple years back and it's never been quite right in the head since - orders get pre-authed but never actually finalized and shipped.

Order 36419368 from March and order 36459003 from May are both stuck in Pending and I'm guessing June will end up there too.

When someone gets a chance to give the order beast a poke that would be great :)

thank you as always!
-b

Hey out there!

I think something's busted in my account.

I've had no orders shipped since the September ones that were manually pushed through the system for me by Jeff.

Order 36244072 spawned on 9/24 but went nowhere.
Order 36244072 RE spawned on 10/23 with more stuff and still went nowhere.
Order 36244072 re spawned again on 11/19 with even more stuff and still went nowhere.
Order 36322435 spawned on 2/4 and also went nowhere.

If I were a gambler, I'd bet order 36322435 will re-spawn in March with more stuff :)

All the digital orders have come through just fine, but my physical orders are just hanging around in limbo.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am *not* emailing about this one, just using the forums so that there won't be multiple overlapping messages.

edit: I've been letting this just sit out of a morbid curiosity about how long it would last, but at some point things will end up out of stock and that would be poopy.

Hey out there,

Most of the site is behaving normally, but the gift certificate page is going off to oblivion and never actually loading.

I have a hunch is has something to do with the weirdo URL it's trying to load, but that's just a guess.

For some odd reason the URL is this (note the odd signIn at the end):

https://paizo.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Store.woa/wa/DirectAction/signIn ?path=store/giftCertificates

... even though I'm already logged in. I cleared all cookies and similar crap (sometimes web site changes cause of odd behavior with saved cookies) but it's still happening. I've let it sit for several minutes now and eeeeeeeeeventually it came up with the rat-thing trouble page.

Anyways, figured someone ought to know :)

now if the order beast would only ship my orders :(

Hey all,

So now we're up to three months that haven't shipped, and September is authorizing now/soon so I'm guessing it'll jump on the pile.

Can someone see what's up with my account?

More concerningly, there's clearly a bug in the system that just leaves unfinished orders out there without reporting them :(

It's not life and death, they're just books, but ... I'm certainly not getting a warm kitty happy kitty feeling either :/

Hey out there,

Not really concerned about the July order yet (Order 30102378) since the July thread doesn't indicate end of shipping.

I'm not 100% concerned about the June order since there never was a "done" post in the June 2020 thread, but the thread was unstickied which probably means it's supposed to be done.

Can someone check on Order 22042326 (June) for me?

Thank you very much!
-b

Hey there Sara Marie!

I sent you an email on 8/10 but I have a hunch it got buried in spam filters or something, can you take a look?

thanks!
-b

Hey there,

I think the dysfunctional order engine may have put two copies of a bunch of stuff in my sidecart somewhere in the process of clicking on buttons that are tabs and multiple buttons labeled "complete order" etc :)

It's hard to say, because on the Orders page the sidecart doesn't show quantities.

Can you please make sure I'm not getting two copies of the flip mats and pocket books and stuff from the pre-oreder I placed today?

thanks!!
-b

Hey there,

It took me a while to stop looking for the Release Schedule link somewhere buried in the store. In fact, I never did stop looking for it, I just happened to go to a broken page where the footer was visible because there was no content and happened to notice it at the bottom :)

I think Release Schedule should be somewhere in the store tabs/fancy popup menus/pages/something.

And please, please, please create a site map page to replace the left-hand sidebar ... I would start there every single time.

Maybe I'll make one ...

Hey there :)

Here's some observations on the shopping cart that may help the software folks track down oddities with the system when they're feeling bored :)

1. I had a "choose your own" gift certificate in the cart in one tab, and in another tab added a preorder to my cart. Back on the GC tab, I hit Update Quantities and it took me to the main page for the flip mats instead of updating the quantity. I was not logged in at the time but the cookie was present that identified me. Unfortunately I hadn't actually made a change so I cannot say if the cart would have kept any changes.

2. Note that I then logged in on a different tab to look at my gift certificates.

3. The two flip-mat preorders I added to my cart did not show up as "Ship with my Subscriptions" as they usually do - I had to change them to that. Note I had added these to my cart when I was not logged in.

4. When I did hit the button to ship with my subscriptions, it brought me back to page 1 of the cart, not page 2. It did this both times I updated the shipping status.

5. On page 3, when I changed my payment information, it did *not* bump me back to page 1, it left me on page 3.

Anyway, hope some of that comes in use to someone :)

Hi!

So I'm trying to buy a gift certificate, and I see the shiny new red button for payment method, but when I click on that during the check out process it just goes ... nowhere.

I get the partially loaded page with the footer, and the spinny wheel briefly spins ... but then it just hangs there.

If I reload, it goes back to page 1. So it looks like I can't check out at the present time.

No idea if this is just me or what, but it's a serious issue for me even if it's not an issue for anyone else :)

thanks!
-burt

Hi Sara Marie!

I sent you an email on 8/30; it's possible it went to your spam folder so I thought I'd mention it here :)

thanks!
-burt

Oh great and powerful web developers!

Can how the forum tags work get added to a FAQ somewhere?

As the who/what/where seems to get ever more complicated (and in some cases contextual), it's hard to know whether tags are even correct.

I think this might even benefit you all, as having a place to refer to when working on the engine might help avoid accidental omissions, etc. I know it helps me in my code to have something like that.

(for example, I'm pretty sure Zaister and myself should have the same tags, but I am not sure and have nothing to refer to in order to be sure :)

Hi!

Two minor issues with recent orders.

I went to use my Mythos Dungeon flip mat from order 4045114 and it's sort of messed up, can I exchange it for a replacement? It looks like the printer messed up during printing or something. Picture:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtd2og28gdms23h/2016-10-22%2013.57.17.jpg

Also, my Star-Spawn of Cthulhu showed up with his wing broken off, can I exchange it for a non-broken one? Picture:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2jcyaei5ezs9nh/2016-12-11%2019.24.47.jpg

thanks!
-burt

Question about subscriptions - is there any chance of an uber-subscription?

I'd kinda like to avoid worrying about "Uh oh, I didn't read the blog and missed the first item in subscription Fuznut!" now that I have far less time for the message boards than I used to.

I ask because every now and then I look at "Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Legends Subscriber; Pathfinder Tales Subscriber" and think "oh crap, I missed something!"

In other words, I kind of miss the days where Superscriber actually meant "subscribes to everything," as it was a lot simpler to look at :)

Is this important in the overall scheme of things? Hell no. Just something I've been thinking about for a while. Or maybe I should have had one sake at dinner instead of two :)

-b

Greetings Paizonians,

Say, I was going to post in the ">>Praise *Sara Marie* for ANYTHING Good Here<<" thread, but there's no post link. Is that thread locked?

-burt

P.S. I was going to post because I was having a discussion with her around the beginning of September and wanted to make sure it all got settled okay :)

Hi :)

Just checking on order 3636063 since supposedly all orders have gone out.

I'm guessing that yet again the Wilderness Dressing thingy has hosed up my my subscriptions, but that's just a guess.

Can you pretty please check on it for me?

Many thanks :)

-burt

Cheers to my favorite customer service staff!

Just wanted to check in about order 3603431 even though I didn't see a "we're done shipping" post in the July orders thread (so apologies for any extra work I cause).

I'm checking because I received a double auth email a couple weeks back because of some wonkiness in my sidecart - so I wanted to make sure my order didn't get eaten by the Non-redemption Engine.

(har har)

Anyways, many thanks :)
-burt

Hey, has anyone out there actually played or run a Spirit of 77 game?

I have (and have read) the books from the Kickstarter, but was curious if anyone had any opinions about the game based on actual gameplay.

Okay, so I've spent about an hour randomly poking around the boards, and can find no references to the Grand Unification, so I'll ask:

"What happened to the fun titles the Paizo staff used to have?"

I suspect I know the answer, and it will make me sad, but asking is better than wondering.

Hi everyone :)

(supplicant makes proper obeisances here)

For order 3593381, if I'm reading the email I just got correctly, the system is trying to charge $301.80 to my Discover, and it's being declined.

It looks like I still have a $400 store credit - can that be used instead?

Thanks!
-burt

(pays proper obeisance to the benign gods in the Paizo Customer Service pantheon)

When you get a chance, can you reduce my Pathfinder ACG subscription from a double to a single?

I do like the game quite a bit, but the double was a gift and now that gift is complete :)

thanks!
-burt

Purely for your amusement, I present this photo: Joy of Static Electricity

Had a devil of a time getting all the foam bits off, but all's good now :)

Also, I just received the December shipment, but it's missing the two Pathfinder Cards decks (Iron Gods Adventure Path Item Cards Deck and Mummy's Mask Face Cards Deck).

No need for a special shipment, but if you could add those to my January subscription shipment that would be cool.

thanks, and Merry Christmas!
-burt

Edit: I think this email should include the word 'shipment' a few more times, eh. :)

Just the other day, the VC for my area commented that he'd "fixed" my account, and when I went in all my sessions were gone.

I emailed him and he said he didn't change anything, but before that I had two characters and a bunch of sessions, and now I've got dugan.

It's entirely possible that it's coincidence, of course :)

Who can poke at the system and see what happened? Any help would be appreciated (including moving this from here to the Web forum if appropriate).

thanks!
-burt

Hi!

Can you change my account so it will *not* use my store credit for subscription orders?

I tried to use the page to do it, but apparently that part of the page isn't working either :)

thanks!
-burt

Hi!

So I finally went to use my Reign of Winter pawns from my subscription order (Order 2877034, it was a while ago) and found that one of the sheets was mis-fed; The front side is small pawns 1-7 plus miscellaneous medium and large pawns, but the back side is actually from the second sheet, making it kind of a mess.

How do I go about getting a replacement for that sheet?

thanks!
-burt

P.S. I checked the rest of my boxes/collections and thankfully that's the only misprint.

Can you check what's up with my account?

As expected, I paid for the August shipment with carefully hoarded store credit, leaving a minimal balance ($36.10).

However, an authorization for $125.90 just showed up in my bank account, and I can't figure out what it's for.

Can you poke around and let me know what's up? I can't figure out what condition would leave me with a store balance *and* charge my bank account.

thanks :)
-burt

I'm not sure where to bring this up, but I was hoping someone there could correct the PFS number associated with my account. I sent an email about it too, but emails sometimes end up in the bit bucket.

The PFS number on my account is 142852, and I was hoping to get it corrected to my original PFS number of 12012 (which I couldn't find until *after* I attended a recent con).

Any chance someone can fix that for me on my account and the three scenarios? I'm assuming someone half-decent enough at SQL could do it with a few UPDATE ... WHEREs, but I was hoping it might be easier than that ... I don't really advocate direct twiddling of the back-end DB :)

Thanks!
-burt

I just had a blast attending a con for the first time in several years, all the more fun because I actually got to play instead of exhausting myself running slots all weekend :)

However, there was one thing that repeatedly detracted from my enjoyment of the games. At four of the five slots I played, one of the players was a Venture-something, and in every case it detracted from the game. It didn't ruin it, it just detracted from it.

• The first issue was the rules commentary. In every case they repeatedly interrupted the game with rules corrections, observations, and commentary. Unfortunately, this didn't really add anything to the game - as these were all tables of level 1 and level 2 characters, many of them beginners, there weren't really any gamebreaking discussions that needed to be had about misinterpretations of rules that couldn't have been handled by the GM. I'm quite sure that a few beginner players were getting rules wrong from time to time, but I view that as the responsibility of the actual GM, not someone who's decided they're the assistant GM.
  
• Secondly, they like to tell stories. Everyone's got a version of the "let me tell you about my character" story, and I've got several more now, as well as a number of stories about this convention or that scenario or some such :)
  
• Third, please, please don't pick fights with other players at the table, even if you do think they're cheating. It's a terrible derailment, and if you believe it's an issue, bring it up privately after the game rather than derailing the game with a stream of corrections and comments to the GM.
  
• Last, if you're going to replay an event, please don't soak up a spot at the table without contributing. Yes, I am aware you know exactly what's supposed to happen, but that doesn't mean you can't contribute, it just means it's harder for you - and it's not fair to everyone else who is contributing to the success if you're just a ride-along.

Again, I want to say that I had a blast and am looking forward to more games after a few years out of the whole scene, but I wanted to offer my observations.

TL;DR: If you're someone with Venture-something in your title and are sitting at a table, please consider whether what you have to say will increase the enjoyment of the paying customers (i.e. the other players) before you actually say it :)

By the way, the [edit] button might be broken now; I've been trying to edit posts and the page comes up but the edit button is missing.

I'll try again on this post in a second.

edit: Oh, it's not missing; it's just that the [Preview] [Cancel] and [Submit Post] buttons suddenly moved the the far bottom right of the screen instead of directly under the text panel like they were before.

edit2: Though they're still directly under the text panel for normal posts. Perhaps the style sheet for editing posts went wonky?

Please read this in the spirit it's intended in - as things that would improve usability for me, as I can't really speak for anyone else :)

Observations on the shopping cart

The shopping cart links in the system bring someone to the old, familiar shopping cart, which has a "Proceed to Checkout" button that is pretty intuitive; clicking it goes to a page with a number of buttons but no instructions.

When I first came to the page, I didn't even realize the big "1 Shopping Cart" "2 Payment Method" "X Confirm Your Order" things at the top were buttons.

There's a Payment Method area, but it's empty, and a Select Payment Method button. Sometimes there's payment info in the Payment Method area, sometimes not; I.m not quite sure why and I had expected there to be a default payment method.

It's not clear that clicking on the "X Confirm Your Order" button doesn't actually confirm your order even though it's called "Confirm Your Order", and that it's the only way to transition to the next screen. However, there seems to be nothing else on the page to click on, so I nervously click on "Confirm Your Order" and hope it's lying.

• Suggestion 1: label the button Review Your Order instead of Confirm Your Order; the "Confirm Order" button is actually on the "Confirm Order" page.
  
• Suggestion 2: have a small line of text between the big buttons and the nested table that says "Click Review Your Order to continue."
  
• Suggestion 3: have some sort of indicator of what step the customer is on. For example, Amazon has a little shopping cart on the current step and the line is colored orange up until that point. For this system, I'm not sure ... maybe spread the big buttons out and have some sort of line behind them? Or maybe have a bold golem-colored outline around the current step?
  
• Suggestion 4: have a Continue button at the bottom right of the nested table.
  
• Suggestion 5: Number the Review Your Order button like the others instead of using a check/X.

So now I'm on the confirm order page, and haven't confirmed it yet, but the "(check) Conform Your Order" thingy (which is confusingly both a button and a status indicator) is now green with a check as if my order was already placed.

• Suggestion 6: Don't color Confirm Your Order green unless it's confirmed (which it will never be). Keep it red so the shopper knows the order isn't placed.

Nowhere in the process did I see a "how do I ship this" option, but at the bottom of the confirm page it tells me the items are in my sidecart and will be shipped with the earliest possible subscription.

However, there appears to be no way to change this so they'll ship in any other way than with my subscription.

It's also unclear that the screen you're on changes to black from green to show it's the current screen until you click back and forth; this is particularly confusing on the abbreviated screen with only 3 status button things.

Now, I now know that part of the oddness of the screens is due to the items all being pre-orders ... but even for pre-orders I should have the option to choose how it's shipped, so I'd expect the full "1 Shopping Cart" "2 Shipping" "3 Payment Method" "4 Review Order" sequence regardless. It might be that the state machine is a little too smart for its own good. Even for gift certificates and/or PDFs, it would be good for the "2 Shipping" page to have relevant information.

• Suggestion 7: Include the Shipping page for all orders, even if it only says "You will be able to download PDFs from your download page when the order is completed" or the like.

Not for any particular reason ;) I wanted to take a look at Paizo's "Job Openings" page.

However, when I go to the page at http://paizo.com/paizo/about/jobs, it instead takes me to the Art Submissions page.

Anyways, thought you might want to know :)

-burt

Hi :)

So I apologize for the duplication, but I just wanted to double check on a couple emails I sent on Friday afternoon (both at around 2pm EST).

One was about order 3169146 and the other was with a subscription question.

Please accept my sincere apologies if this just makes more work for you; I just wanted to be sure they weren't lost in the email flood :)

thanks!
-burt

(apologies if this seems terse .... I just had hand surgery)

All the minis claim codes and unclaimed gift certs are missing from my acct ... can you check whats up?

Thanks :)
-burt

Okay, so I've got the following orders in the system:

2873041 - Psionics Augmented, Volume 1 (PFRPG) Print/PDF Bundle
2873033 (This order was split into 4 orders)
2873035 - I think this is Ultimate Psionics

Thing is, I didn't realize that Psionics Augmented was part of Ultimate Psionics and I didn't need the former if I got the latter.

I haven't downloaded Psionics Augmented yet (and won't), any chance you can refund the cost for Psionics Augmented (and remove it from my downloads) and just leave Ultimate Psionics in my sidecart?

Plus, it would be cool if the product description for Psionics Augmented said something about it; I thought I needed both :(

Hey, can you guys double-up my adventure card game subscription? Please start it with the earliest thing I can (I guess that will be the second part of the adventure path -- Skinsaw, right?)

I've found that in playing with two groups, it's painful with one set. So I guess I'll need two.

(though a new base game will have to wait until after the vast pain that will be the December shipment :)

I found what was messing up my email, so if you see this before you get to my email, you can ignore it.

If, on the other hand, you reset my password like I asked, well, that's fine too since that's what I set it to :)

Just wanted to double-check that you guys got my email about order #2659107. Took me something like 4 separate cards (might have been five? I lost count), but I think I'm good!

I'm probably doomed, however, when the next minis set comes out :)

Anyone else having trouble with the map packs not being flat?

All my older ones are just fine, but the newer ones have a noticeable curl and don't lie flat on a table, making them hard to use.

We had our final playtests on 1/4 and 1/11, using the updates to the rules as requested by Jason.

This post comments only on mythic damage.

I suggest the concept of mythic damage be dropped from the final version of the rules.

We found it to be a record-keeping issue, almost as if every character had to keep track of two completely different sets of hit points, and from what I can see, it virtually never had much of a practical effect on gameplay.

Something very similar could be gained by granting mythic characters bonus temporary hit points after every rest, for example, a mythic character might gain temporary hit points equal to their normal hit points every morning regardless of what their actual status is.

This would have the cool side effect that mythic characters could take more punishment while keeping going while still being beat to hell because they're at 15 hit points out of 100hp yet after a rest they're kicking with what's effectively 115hp. Sounds like a lot of movies I've seen :)

In any event, this caused us nowhere near the agitation that Amazing Initiative or mythic time stop did, but nor did it really seem to have much of a noticeable benefit, thus slowing gameplay for little reason.

We had our final playtests on 1/4 and 1/11, using the updates to the rules as requested by Jason.

This post comments only on mythic time stop.

I think any mythic spells in the system should be closely examined for how they affect play at the table. I'm going to pick on mythic time stop because of my experience with it, but in general I would be extremely careful with any spell that messes with action economy.

While the effect of mythic time stop sounds cool on paper, in practice it quite badly destroys flow of play at the table.

After all, only creatures within a short distance of the caster are affected, leaving some players out of the game for a long time. I had a caster using a greater maximize rod to dump a 5-round time stop on the members of the part who were close enough [and a second one as soon as that one finished]. One player got to sit around for close to an hour of real time while the remaining 5 members of of the party took 5 turns apiece followed immediately by another five rounds apiece.

As I mention in my post about Amazing Initiative, the rules need to be very, very aware of what slows down gameplay, and having part of a game table able to act while others are not really puts a damper on the fun. I know that technically it's the same as having a character paralyzed, or unconscious, etc., but in practice it's not - virtually every such condition is fixable, but being left out of a mythic time stop is just a thumb at the nose for whoever is unfortunate enough to be out of it.

Note that this includes the GM. I'm a player too. Like most GMs, I put a lot of work into making sure it's fun for everyone (including me), and an ability that gives me a big 'ol raspberry while everyone else at the table gets to play their character and have fun and I'm just there to take whatever abuse they can think of dishing out with literally zero options for doing anything about it.

Sure, this is an issue for regular time stop too, but the big difference in that case is it's one character, not an entire table, and their options are quite limited. An entire party has many more options and can do a heck of a lot with 5 (or 10) uninterruptable turns.

I'm just glad he didn't cast a maximized greater mythic time stop.

We had our final playtests on 1/4 and 1/11, using the updates to the rules as requested by Jason.

This post comments only on Amazing Initiative.

We used the new rules for Amazing Initiative, and not a single person in my group liked them, including me.

This could be because we're used to high-level play under 3.5e, with spellcasters liberally using Multispell in conjunction with the full Automatic Quicken feat tree, but we all enjoyed our games pre-transition significantly more; everyone agreed that multiple turns per character instead of longer turns per character was an improvement.

When all the players had the option of taking two full turns (and before I realized there was an artificial limitation buried in the Pathfinder system that mandated no more than one spell per round, something I dislike with a keen intensity), everyone was contributing and there was no feeling of any player monopolizing the table (but see my post to follow about mythic time stop).

After the change, we ended up back in the 3.5e mode of individual players' turns taking even longer because even though they only got an extra standard action, it was glommed onto their regular action. Furthermore, there were many discussions and much confusion about what a PC could and couldn't do, given that it was only an additional standard action and additional spells were administratively prohibitied (but not spell-like abilities, supernatural abilities, etc.). Frankly, the previous rules were just plain simpler (especially since at the time I was unaware of the arbitrary "1 spell per round" limitation).

For us, this new set of initiative rules was neither simple, logical, nor something that helped the game move quickly (quite the opposite). As such, I have the following recommendations for Amazing Initiative in the final system:

• Keep the bonus of +1/tier, or even make it +2/tier, which I think would work even better.
  
• Put back the ability to take a full second turn at the PC's initiative count minus 20 instead of glomming additional actions onto a PCs existing turn. We need individual players' turns to be shorter, not longer. Personally, I'd add a caveat that the second initiative has to be a positive number, no going again at -12 or anything like that.
  
• Abolish the well hidden "you can only cast one spell per turn" for mythic characters, leaving them able to cast 2 spells per round (or 3 or even 4 with a couple quickened spells).
  
• Make it more expensive than 1 point; 2 points seems reasonable. In fact, I'm not against creatures with a high enough initiative count getting even more; if a legendary bandersnatch is going on +45, why not allow it to go on +25 (for 2 points) and even +5 (for an additional 2 points).

• A creatures gets a full, normal turn.
• Should they be able, and choose, they get a second full, normal turn (or more!).

There seems to be some confusion about the "neither" button; people believe that if they select "neither" the item is not counted as being voted on and shows up again.

That's not what the descriptions I've read seem to imply, but it would be nice to hear for 100% sure that voting "neither" is actually a vote and not just a flag to put the item back in the queue.

(I'm not hitting the "neither" button at all, so I don't really care one way or the other ... I'm doing my darndest to pick whichever one is super-best when both are really good and whichever one is least bad when both are bad.)

Okay ... so I'm at my work laptop and want to go home and continue looking at items from my home computer.

How do I get the item presentation engine to take a break? Every time I hit one of the buttons, another pair presents itself.

If I don't vote but just log in again, will I see the same items that I haven't voted on? Will they be lost forever? I think I'm missing something here :)