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Thanks for the help guys. It makes sense when you lay it out like that. This means that I will have to sink a few feats into manoeuvres to make it viable but the Kineticist always have some feats to burn so it's fine.

Also, the limits make it more fun; Having something work as a full-fledged Telekinesis spell would have been way too flexible an ability.

I am looking to create a pure telekineticist in an upcoming game. My role will be as a scout, harasser and trickster first and foremost which is why blasting isn't that important.

Looking over the wild talent Telekinetic Maneuvers I realized that it is a perfect fit for my character. So much so that getting a few grapple feats might be worth it in the long run.

But there are two things that confuse me that I couldn't find the answer to.

1. If I make a grapple check to move an opponent how far can I actually move him.

2. Can I move him straight up into the air?

3. If I disarm an opponent using Telekinetic Maneuvers can I take control of the weapon somehow?

Cheers guys.

We're currently running a few simulations on the class and while I LOVE parts of it I can see how it could be improved rather easily.

Improving the "base" form would be the main thing, since it has been pointed out that it isn't that rewarding. Giving it access to "Ooze aspects" that can only be used in its base form would be one of them, making the player able to mimic things ranging from the Cubes to Ochre jelly.

I'll have the PDF tomorrow, so I'll be able to add something more to the discussion.

One thing that I thought of though: The Oozemorph gets a lot of natural attacks but if it does take a humanoid shape there's nothing stopping it from picking up a two-handed weapon, a the Multiattack feat and go to town.

That could be a fun build.

Robert Brookes wrote:

Ahh. Yeah, unlike monster oozes the oozemorph can't benefit from any item that requires it being held, worn, wielded, etc. So really ioun stones or ioun-like items.

Looks like Inscribe Magical Tattoo is going to be important then. They aren't "held, worn, wielded, etc."

Awesome, I had forgotten about that option entirely!

There's also the Extra Item Slot feat that makes it possible for our hero Ooze to indeed wear a helmet. And pants.

Brawldennis wrote:

I assume it's meant to be stronger, with the rounds per level duration and full round activation, you really need a powerful ability to make up for it. If it's just an enlarge person effect grabbing a level wizard on your barbarian to cast enlarge person would probably be a stronger choice then going rageshaper.

The chart The Fool used was the monster advancement chart. We've been told, in the mauler FAQ/thread, that it's ONLY for monster advancement and not spells or effects. If it's meant to get extra physical stats, it was done incorrectly.

The reason I did that was that it looked so similar to the Vigilante Brute except that the Brute specifically calls out that when it grows in size it doesn't increase its ability scores.

The Rageshaper didn't so I assumed that it would get those bonuses. Was unaware of the mauler FAQ though, thanks for pointing that out.

graystone wrote:

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

If an Oozemorph goes unconscious or enters an antimagical area, they turn back to a puddle, from the way I've been reading it. The 'fluid form' is considered their 'base form'.

Yes, but it's the SU ability that grants that base form. With it being suppressed, why wouldn't it revert to it's original form? it'd be different if they hadn't put it under the shifting ability but made it it's own EX ability.

And as I pointed out above, the SU ability is a polymorph effect, so you take the movement rate of the form you take: we HAVE no default movement rate for an "protoplasmic blob". I'm also curious if SLA's can be used when spells can't [for unknown reason]. What happens if the base race is a shapechanger? Can my kitsune use it's change shape to take it's human form/fox shape from blob form with it's natural abilities, and if not why? Can it use special move rates [fly, swim, climb]. Can I climb at all [you NEED 2 hands free and you HAVE no hands]. Can you grapple without a –4 penalty for not having 2 free hands? Can I climb a ladder? Do I need to sleep [oozes don't and it's my default form] and am I blind?

This archetype is going to need a series of FAQ's of a whole blog.

Caveat: Not on the design team, but the archetype's original author.

That said, the intention is that all of the Fluidic Body abilities are (Su), but the character's base form is now an ooze. Which is why there's the antimagic field callout. You automatically revert back to ooze form but can't use any other facets of this ability (shapechanging and the like). This doesn't prohibit the use of morphic weapons, since that an (Ex) ability.

So happy to see that you've joined us Robert. I want to assure you that we're doing this because we absolutely love your archetype and would like to understand how it works in depth.

If you don't mind could you explain your philosophy on how the Morphic weapons are meant to deal with damage reduction and competing with other alternatives? As I read it doesn't appear to progress in other ways except for giving you more natural attacks.

Was it intentional that the natural weapons of this archetype should be given the same properties as the claws of a vanilla Shifter's claws would at the same level by any chance?

Thank you for making this archetype btw. <3

I am curious.

Is there ever any reason to actually want to be in your base ooze form?

Good question and there are indeed benefits.

One of them is that you can avoid precision damage, critical hits and flanking entirely. You literally have no weak spots. This coupled with the pretty huge DR/slashing (which you always have, in all your forms) means that rogues and swashbucklers will be almost useless against you.

On level 4 you get a climb speed of 10 when in Ooze form as well so coupled with the compression (which you also get to keep no matter which form you take) you can make a terrifying assassin. Especially since no one would be able to identify you in a line up. :P

Huh...Could someone who has the book double check one thing for me:

I took a look at the Rageshifter on a whim (I again only had a few minutes with the book) and just realised that it appears to actually get two different sets of ability bonuses.

Once by growing to Large size (which is just plain growth, it doesn't duplicate any spell whatsoever, and should according to RAW be +8 to strength, +4 to constitution and +2 NA)

And once for the Barbarian Rage it enters. So that's a +12 to strength and +8 to constitution in total. If that's correct it really is like playing the hulk, especially the part when the player turns around a round later and practically wipes the party out.

My GM just pointed out a very interesting flaw.

The major ability of the class is something called *Fluid form*. It is this ability that governs the shapeshifting abilities and it is the one that states that when in an anti-magic field the character reverts to her blobby original form.

Problem is: The ability is ITSELF supernatural. So going into an anti-magic field would do...What exactly? Turn the player back into their original race?

Hmm, severals of my players are discussing it, apparently it says that it doesn't have magic item slots and can't hold objects, benefit from armor, cast spells, use or activate any magic item that is held or hold on the body.

So umm, yeah, oozemorph couldn't even use rings it seems <_< Which I could swear I've seen several adventure modules were ooze had survived on consuming someone with ring of sustenance. Or maybe that was my homebrew campaign, can't remember.

I'd personally just house rule it so that they can use magic items that work just by holding them inside their body. But yeah, it doesn't say technically that they can't carry items, but it definitely goes over the mile to say that they can't use any magic item at all. So even if they can carry item, not sure how you are supposed to play a class that can't use any loot you find ._.

Yeah I'm super confused about the archetype as well. So much so I feel that it is necessary to start a discussion on it. Going to be filling in all info I can in this thread below, feel free to join and bring up any points you could think of.

The Oozemorph mega(slimy)thread

I had a bit of luck and got to see a glimpse of the new Shifter class (Ultimate Wilderness) and the its hilarious archetype: The Oozemorph of a friend's copy. For me who love to play quirky characters this is a Godsend, but there's plenty of question marks that comes with this archetype.

So I thought we could have a this thread to brain storm and try to figure out how we should tackle the...unique challenges this archetype faces.

First of all a caveat: I only got to pour over the base class and archetype for about 5 minutes so I might very well be remembering things incorrectly; this is all based on the notes I took so I apologise in advance if I messed something up. I should get to read it through again soon though.

For those who haven't had the chance to see it yet: The Oozemorph is an inverse version of the regular Shifter. At level 1 you permanently lose your regular shape and become a new creature that's both your old type of humanoid and an Ooze. So for you count as both types for effects such as favoured enemy (ouch!) and other effects such as spells.

Your new form is that of a shapeless ooze, you can't equip, carry or interact with items at all as far as I can tell. Nor can it talk, be sure to invest in linguistics for sign language!

You do get to use Alter self to assume an humanoid form though, half your level times per day and with an hour/level duration. If you exceed that time you need to make fortitude saves to stay in that form. If you fail you revert back to your original form. The same happens when you fall unconscious.

Later on this power can be used to access Beast Shape I & II and also Giant Shape I.

The biggest question that arises for me is: How is the Oozemorph ever going to be a threat in combat? Granted at first level it gets two natural attacks which it can form from any part of its body, deals 1d6 of either bludgeoning, piercing or slashing. On level 6 and 15 it gets another one. All of these are primary attacks so we get to add our full strength bonus to them.

Having said that they don't seem to get any of the other benefits that the other Shifters get. No way to pierce DR, no damage increase, no special properties. This gets worse if the Oozemorph is in its natural shapeless form since it can't wear any equipment at that time. Amulet of mighty fists? No dice!

Granted it could just be that I missed something, but on the paper this looks like the major problem with the archetype. Someone elsewere mentioned that they get something called "Chemical touch" but I don't recall seeing that myself.

There's also one thing that I wonder about. According to the bestiary Oozes are blind unless otherwise stated. The archetype doesn't mention it at all so...are they?

The Fool wrote:

Feros wrote:

nighttree wrote:

On the Ooze shifter Archetype....does it replace your race making you an ooze that "appears" as human, elf, etc...?

Nope. You remain your race but add the ooze type to your character for purposes of effects targeting types. This shifter gains their abilities from contemplating oozes rather than druidic tradition.

It is easily the archetype I'm interested in the most. How does it fare in combat and exploration, Feros? Does it get debilitating attacks and things like compression by any chance?

** spoiler omitted **

That's AMAZING! I never cared for wild empathy as it was, animals are for eating anyway is what the ooze would think.

The compression and the climb speed makes for an awesome infiltrator/assassin. Now if only there was a way emulate acidic touches the way oozes do you could be a great saboteur as well.

nighttree wrote:

On the Ooze shifter Archetype....does it replace your race making you an ooze that "appears" as human, elf, etc...?

Nope. You remain your race but add the ooze type to your character for purposes of effects targeting types. This shifter gains their abilities from contemplating oozes rather than druidic tradition.

It is easily the archetype I'm interested in the most. How does it fare in combat and exploration, Feros? Does it get debilitating attacks and things like compression by any chance?

Can the PC take Extra Item Slot feat for his ooze form?

I think so. The Ooze is your actual body after all. I have yet to read the book itself though, so I wouldn't know for sure; there might be something in there that says you can't.

It would be fun to play an ooze with a hat though.

This archetype must be allowed for PFS, just look how creative this got before most of us have even read its stats,
let alone played it. Come on, Paizo!

Now I think that in a pinch the shifter could probably write on the ground by scratching the letters into the wood/stone (which is a hilarious hook for evil GMs, who points out to the player half-way through the campaign that he's been leaving written clues behind every step of the way. XD)

Also: Taking ranks in linguistics should be enough for simple signlangues right?

Also what is *Chemical Touch?* If it is an ability that adds acid damage to the natural weapons of the shifter I definitely think that writing on surfaces should be easy.

If it adds some sort of effect to the natural stacks I certainly see how the Oozemorph could be dangerous in combat.

Class turns character into ooze and whatever humanoid they were before taking class, and they can assume a humanoid form for 1 hr/level @ 1/2 class levels for number of times per day.

It provides potentially significant advantages, but also significant drawbacks... in their 'base' ooze form they get immunity to crits and precision damage, and flanking, but they can't wear armor, use weapons, cast spells, *speak*, and are considered to have no slots for equipment.

Hmmmmmm...

Oozes eat and *breathe*, but do not sleep.

Bear with me here: Being unable to talk is a huge disadvantage, probably the biggest one for me. But as far as I can see there's nothing preventing the Oozemorph to take up an instrument, like a trumpet or harmonica, and use that to communicate at a distance.

What I do wonder is which of these two forms is the "combat" form? The vanilla shifter gets his claws all the time, is it the same for the Oozemorph?

Feels odd that the magical effects could occur from raw energy, nevermind that it is a big chance that you could get something that wouldn't fit, like doing extra acid damage with your fire blast for instance.

I would advice against using the crit fail cards though and ask your player if he's fine with taking 1 point of burn instead. It's less dangerous but more impactful in the long run.

The Fool wrote:

Verzen wrote:

KingOfNinjas wrote:

Who has questions?

Details on the Oozemorph would be greatly appreciated. <3

** spoiler omitted **

That sounds so amazing. Can't wait to read up on it myself. Thanks a bunch for the help. :)

The Fool wrote:

Now that I think of it; A more breakdown of the Shifter class would probably make everyone happy.

Sort of what damage we can expect the claws to make, what the Animal aspects actually do this time around; things like that.

If any of you have time for it that is... <3

Specific mechanics details aren't allowed before public release, I'm afraid.

That's a fair point. :)

Well then could we have a "vague breakdown" of the class and its archetypes then.

I especially would like to know what the Oozemorph can do. I would suspect that it'd trade claws for a slam, but other than that I wouldn't know as there's no *Ooze shape* -spells as I recall.

Now that I think of it; A more breakdown of the Shifter class would probably make everyone happy.

Sort of what damage we can expect the claws to make, what the Animal aspects actually do this time around; things like that.

If any of you have time for it that is... <3

Anyone else feeling like it's our mashing on the update button that's causing the site to crash? XD

KingOfNinjas wrote:

Who has questions?

Details on the Oozemorph would be greatly appreciated. <3

Here is something I've been looking at and rereading to make sure it works.

"warlock can sling projectiles of
magical energy at will by shooting a bolt or touching her foe."

Mystic bolt is treated "as though they were light one handed melee weapons." This is similar to unarmed strikes. It is there to clarify what feats and abilities will work with it.

With those bits of information, you should be able to add the damage from other melee touch spells to your Mystic Bolt melee attacks. So Chill Touch, Shocking Grasp, and Frost Bite should also add thier damage to your Mystic Bolt melee attack. This makes the Mystic Bolt a bit more useful. You can increase the damage or add fun effects like Bestow Curse, since you have to touch the target to deliver the Mystic Bolt damage.

Wait, is that even possible? If it would be possible to use melee touch spells at range (while shooting lightning/fire/ice/acid) that's an awesome start for a build!

If we just consider adding extra damage/effects to "regular attacks" with the Mystic Bolts the rules state that:

"abilities that affect all weapon attacks the warlock makes, such as the arcane striker warlock talent, function with mystic bolts."

...Which makes me wonder if there is a list of those effects. I know the gloves that were mentioned at the start of the thread that add 1d6 acid damage is a great choice, but there must be similar items/spells out there right?

So far I've seen spells like bless being able to add a bit but there seems to be a lot that I'm missing.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that wants to build a Mystic Bolt focused Warlock now that the class has been made official but I am stuck on how to make the whole thing viable. It is great that the ability is unlimited but I feel that it is almost always better to cast a spell as things are now, and I was hoping to have more utility based spells backed up by a really powerful arsenal of mystic bolts.

This leads me to a question: What applies to these bolts? This passage is a pretty good explanation:

Abilities that affect all weapon attacks the Warlock makes, such as the arcane striker Warlock talent, function with Mystic Bolts

I can't think of many feats or spells that applies directly to the ALL weapon attacks one could make in a round. I guess that maybe the Startoss Style might work since the blasts are technically light weapons that you throw, but when it comes to magical items and spells I'm drawing a blank. Anyone else got any ideas?

I've got to say that I love the Alchemist Toxicant Archetype.

However in order to save my GM some headaches I thought there were a few question marks that needed to be straightened out before we continue playing.

1. For the first 3 levels my poison only last for one round as far as I can tell. Does stacking doses do anything at all since I technically don't have a duration to prolong? I'm curious as I will be having 3 attacks on level 3 and pretty good attack rolls.

2. Toxic Secretion states that it activates when the Toxicant is hit with a "natural attack or unarmed strike". Would this include grapple checks and touch attacks as well?

3. Are Swarms affected by this Toxic Secretion? It does makes saves as it was just one creature after all.

4. I've heard that you can "Stack" inhaled poisons from several sources but never seen how you actually use them mechanically. Can you just store several doses of poison in a big jar and throw it at the enemy and then have them suffer 5, 10 or 50 dozes at once? Heck maybe you don't even need a big jar, a small bottle might be enough considering that I can't find anything on the subject. FAQ?

5.Can the poison that you gather as a swift action be thrown on its own, sort of like flicking water at someone? The Alchemist does have the Throw Anything feat after all.

The Fool wrote:

Stuff it into a bag and drown it then. Worked for my group. ;)

I'd love to, but she's 20 feet in the air and refuses to come down. We're trying to net it, but that's not going so well

It's for times like these that I always pack either a lasso or a net if I can afford it. :/

What's your group and what do you have on you?

Dont you have to have preserve organs for mummification?

So THREE discoveries that make you immune to fall damage...big cost for that if its the ONLY reason

You could do any of the things the others mentioned as well as get boots of the cat...always take the lowest damage from falling and always land on your feet

Yes that's correct, it does take three discoveries, although the other benefits of mummification, preserve organs and rag doll mutagen makes it worth getting for a lot of alchemists anyway.

Besides, feather fall is so boring and slow. I'd prefer to hit the ground at 1200 ft/round and walk away from the crater smiling.

Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure that you will still deal damage to whatever/whoever you land on. Elbow from the sky anyone? :P

Stuff it into a bag and drown it then. Worked for my group. ;)

I just noticed something interesting regarding the Alchemist. I'm surprised that I couldn't any thread about this subject since it's plain to see once you read through all the alchemist discoveries. Anyway; it seems to me that an alchemist can become completely immune to falling damage once she hits level ten, have these two discoveries and is in mutagenic form.

I know that falling damage isn't exactly the leading cause of death at level ten and above but I simply can't shake the idea of my alchemist falling at terminal velocity and then walking away like nothing happened.

So would this work or is there some caveat I'm missing somewhere?

Ah sorry I completely forgot about the build. :P

I'm currently at level 5, about to enter 6 at the next meeting.
Str 10
Dex 18
Con 14
Int 16
Wis 10
Cha 10

Not great rolls but not too bad either.
Feats: Weapon finesse, Extra discovery x3, Alertness (from familiar).
Discoveries: Vestigal arms x2, tumour familiar and feral mutagen. I'm planning to get the other body changing discoveries as well as I progress, starting with Wings and then preserve organs followed by mummification and so forth.

Since I'm a vivisectionist I mainly do damage through sneak attacks and since I got lucky and got my hands on an Agile Amulet of mighty fists
I add my dex to damage, to hit and to my AC which makes the build quite SAD. I'm getting pounce in a few levels too. :)

I had dismissed the idea of that Prc btw, but looking at it now makes it look interesting. I might take a few levels of it. :)

Any further ideas would be appreciated though.

EDIT: Just a thought: Would getting Rag doll mutagen, which turns falling damage into non-lethal and then taking mummification which makes me immune to non-lethal damage make me immune to falling damage altogether?

I just realised something. You could take extra discovery again later down the line in order to get a tentacle. This opens you up for using a shield as well or you could even substitute the tentacle for a hand and keep a hand free for climbing, pulling a lever or even be a complete bastard and invest in crane style. ;)

Well he could go fighter/2 and alchemist/2 instead, since he only need 2 levels of alchemist and a feat for the two extra arms. He could go vivisectionist and pick up a dice of sneak attack too while he's at it.
Nevermind the mutagen. :)

I have been playing a Vivisectionist/Beastmorph for a few levels now and the theme of this char is that she is becoming more and more unhinged every level, basically turning into some kind of Lovecraftian monster as the game progresses (I'm seriously considering adding in a few levels of Souldrinker/eater as well, partly to help finance her simulacrum factory and partly for the joy of having a souleating tumour).
It is worth mentioning that I'm not going for the most optimal build here
, I'm just trying to have fun and keep the other players on their toes as they know very little of how the Alchemist class works. My combat role is basically that of a skirmisher and support.

The problem is that when I reach level 12 I have more or less run out of all the cool monstrous discoveries like vestigial arms and such but I still want to pile on the Lovecraftian, preferably without having to bring another base class into the mix.

What I wonder is if there is any way my char could alter her body in ways like the grafts from DnD 3.5 or the Symbionts from the Eberron campaign setting without resorting to 3rd party material? My GM is a-ok with all of paizos stuff but no material from earlier DnD editions.

Any ideas people?

Its not dead yet; I found this page just now. :)

I played through most of a long campaign as a Cad archetype and I think I must have used at least 50-60 different things as weapons, most notably I skewered a Kobold with another Kobold.
The idea that improvised weapons would be more prone to breaking is something that I agree sort of, but a 50% chance is way to high. Players would escape from prisons easily if they could break their manacles on the prison door (I'm not saying that all players would do that; I'm just saying I would).
Giving them the fragile quality works fine but look out for the feat that let's you break a weapon in order to deal bleed damage. Potent stuff when you have an infinite supply of weapons. :)

Grimmwaldt checking in, although I'm not yet sure of how I import my char sheet to my profile the way Sithundan did. :/

Edit. Found it, nevermind.

How well do we need to know the other characters before we start off?

Thanks that helped a lot. :) I'll get back to you with my char in a while then. :)

Question: Can we worship any god we like/make up our gods? If not then what gods may we worship?

OK, I'll keep that in mind.

Grimmwaldt has the appearance of a man on the run, albeit a very wealthy man. His dark outfit and leather boots looks like they have seen too many miles in too short a time.

Among his torn up attire there is one item that stands out: A tiny, spotless doll stitched from unknown material. He sometimes sits still for hours just staring its eyes, seemingly taking no note of the rest of the world.

Grimmwaldt does speak quite a bit when spoken to but he seldom starts these chats up himself and when the subject turns to magic he quickly gets defensive.

1d6: 1d6 ⇒ 6

...And he's from Garicadia. Whatever he is running from might be nipping at his heels still. ;)

This sounds like a fun campaign indeed. I'd like to join but I am unsure of what class to pick. I'll get back to you on that. :)

well it is sort of funny that there are so many non PRD things that people want to try, and I've allowed other things, so why not, but I am put off, a little, by the decidedly Evil nature of that archetype

Ah yes. It is a bit evil, but the character I had in mind is an pragmatic person that does not doesn't see the evil in being effective. He sees the undead, and the fear it brings out in other people, as a very potent weapon. I'm mixing him in on purpose with the other heroes as I believe that interesting discussions will stem from our interactions.

But it is your campaign and if you don't want me to go this route I can rethink my concept a bit. :)

Damn I'm late to the party. I would love to join up if I can. Looks like you guys need a caster. ;)

2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (6, 5) + 6 = 17
2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (2, 3) + 6 = 11
2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (3, 2) + 6 = 11
2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (6, 6) + 6 = 18
2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (2, 4) + 6 = 12
2d6+6: 2d6 + 6 ⇒ (4, 6) + 6 = 16

Question: Am I allowed to take the feat Extra Hex despite the fact that my witch Archetype (Gravewalker) won't have a regular hex at level one. I don't know if that is the case, just wanted to make sure. :)

Edit: If not then I'll do some rework on my character, maybe switch class. I'm starting to write the chars backstory and map out skill points right away just in case. :)

Redchigh: They can dismiss it, but I think that is a standard action. I could be wrong in this, though. The Simulacrum is completely subservient to me though and won't go against my orders.

Joesi: You're right, I had actually missed that part. I'l probably have to rethink the idea of using them in melee. Fortunately enough they only cost me 100 gp per HD and 24 hours to grow so I can replace them more cheaply than some consumables.

However I think I need to rely more heavily on spell slinging skins. The Melee ones can be used for delivering the finishing blow.

Tony: That Fighter did.

Booksy: Quite right, It's to defend my character, which I kind of like, and to send a message of sorts to the other player.

Skinsend against a PC? isn't that an easy way to die?

You're saying you're using skinsend on other creatures? how are you going to do that when skinsend is a personal spell? Infuse extract? I also don't really see the point to have skinsend on them — that will half their HD again (and of course set their str to 3, which is not buffable since it's of a simulacrum)

In my opinion best way to kill a PC would probably be poison (even if you want to swallow whole, just do it after the poison). The fact that it's expensive won't matter because the GM will likely kill you off in the near future anyway, and the problem of things like having to ingest some poisons isn't much of a problem with PCs.

That, or could do it while they're sleeping, no?

Oh don't worry, he won't be killing me anytime soon. ;)

Yes I'm aware of that Skinsend is a personal spell but, like you said, infusion takes care of that. While Skinsend does weaken the creature significantly, and also grant a few perks, but the biggest bonus is in the surprise factor/fashion statement of wearing what appears to be flayed monsters. The biggest asset though is that my "Wardrobe" of monsters are secure in my secret lair where my personal staff takes care of the Simulacrum(s) while the body is left behind.
If the skin dies the creature there is still safe and I'll have them send me a fresh one ASAP. I plan on wearing a bunch of them together as well so I think it's a substantial weapon in my arsenal. :)

Okies, when you mentioned energy drain, my brain tickled me. This would solve both grapple and strength issues. Wight, Monk They are CR 6, so you'd need some planning to get one yourself. But probably easier than a succubus or vampire.

This gets very silly, cause if the fighter initiates the grapple, a Monk Wight simulacrum can let him win, then Flurry, possibly draining 3 levels. Also have Stunning Fist and so many feats...see if your GM will let you customize a bit for your situation.

The GM plays a world shattering wizard in a campaign where I am the GM so he'll probably let me have some leeway. ;)

One possibility that I didn't mention is that while these things grapple I'm still free to take my own actions. I can probably wear him down with poisons and sneak attacks (Vivisectionists trade bombs for SA) as well.

Thanks for the help. :)

Booksy: We usually don't do PvP either but this guy deserves it.

Having read through your guys posts I have begun to form a plan. I'll dress Vivi up in skins that have Level Drain attacks to wear him down first and then finish him off when he's too weak to defend himself properly. I'm thinking Succubus and vampire should I be able to get them.

There is a new development btw: My DM and I don't know what difference is between Greater Alchemical Simulacrum and the regular version of Simulacrum.

I mean the casting time and material cost is clear as day, but it's the last line from Greater Alchemical Simulacrum that is confusing: "The created simulacrum is a creature, not a supernatural effect."

What in the world does that actually mean? James Jacobs answered this question in regard to the regular version of the spell:

Ravingdork wrote:
(9) Can a simulacrum be destroyed via Dispel Magic or similar spell? I think it seems overwhelmingly that the answer is no, because the spell is instantaneous and Dispel Magic clarifies:

A simulacrum is not a real creature; it's a PARTIALLY real creature. It's more accurate to say it's a magical creation (this has no impact on the creature's type, though—that's set by the original creature). It's an illusion, but it's of the "shadow" type, which means that it's partially real as well. In any case, dispel magic clearly says that spells with a duration of instantaneous can't be dispelled, and in the case of simulacrum, that's exactly what it's duration is.

...But he didn't touch upon the Greater Alchemical Simulacrum version. I'm really confused as to what that actually means. Does anyone have a clue?

I'm going to play a campaign with my friends in which there will be enough downtime to do some research/crafting/house building in between adventures. We will go from level 5 all the way to 20.
I wanted a class to take advantage of this and since we already have one fighter, one cleric and two wizards I decided to go with a Neutral Evil Vivisectionist Alchemist. I am thinking of being a clone master as well, the DM said it was ok despite the fact that both archetypes replace the bomb feature, but more on that later.

Now I first thought of this character as a regular Mr Hyde build using Weapon Finesse and an Agile Amulet of mighty fists to do damage in melee. However there is an idea that have been growing in the back of my mind.

My character is portrayed as a beautiful young woman with a thick French accent and an affinity for dressing in large and expensive looking furs (which are actually for covering a Tumor Familiar and a tentacle). She refuses to ride and travels by the means of a permanent floating disk filled with pillows. Her name is Vivianne and she smiles like THIS.
This coupled with the Savagery of her fighting style makes for a very fun character both to roleplay and to fight with. We've only had one session of character introduction but already I'm getting some very odd stares from my friends.

Now here are the two things I need help with:

1. I want to use my downtime to create Simulacrums(sp?)of various exotic creatures and then use Skinsend on them to create a living, wearable ensemble to aid me in combat and freak out the other party members, looking absolutely smashing while doing so. ;)

2. One of my goals is to murder one of the players, a burly fighter that rubs my character the wrong way in every sense of the word. Thing is that while he's not a great grappler he does know that he can overpower my character pretty easily that way and he has implied that he'll do something much worse to her following that. Yeah. :/

So I was thinking of killing him off in the most humiliating way possible: Swallow whole. I'm going to wear a skin that will devour him should he ever annoy my char. And I probably will do it anyway at some point.

There is a big problem with that though: Skinsend shrinks the monster's strength down to a pathetic 3. That is a huge problem when I want to grapple someone, even if the form has other advantages.

Does anyone have a good idea for how I can remedy this without having to spend a lot of spells/extracts buffing the skin all the time? Technically I think it's legit for the skin to wear rings and other items, or at least benefit from them, but I'm not sure.

There are also some other questions I am having trouble figuring out.

* I can't see it in the description but I wonder what the skins of these creatures weigh. I guess it is quite possible to have them prop up themselves or to carry them around in portable holes, but it feels like something important to know.

* Is it worth it to become a Clone Master as well as a Vivisectionist? Some of the abilities, like making clones of yourself, seem great but I see very little reason to want to have simulacrum as an extract when I'm planning on having the Alchemical simulacrum three as it is a lot more economical in the end.

Yeah that's it basically. I appreciate whatever answers you guys can provide. :) Toodaloo!^^

Combat reflexes (mobility and combat patrol) for using extra AoO's for dirty tricks and crits and disarms, disarming strike for free disarm attempts when you crit, iron will, and lightning reflexes.

A Cad is a fighter archtype. This is a Cad

Yes I have been considering taking Disarming strike for a while now, I was just unsure if I should go for it after I got Impaling critical or before.

Combat patrol was a feat that I've never seen before but it looks awesome. I'm the mobile fighter in the group though so I'll recommend it to the tank. Thanks! :)

Has anyone got thoughts on Impaling critical? :)

Sorry, I've been absent for awhile. What's a "CAD"?

Ah, a very dirty fighter basically.

Hi!
Have you considered this class instead of Urban Barbarian? If your DM is cool with third party classes that is...

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/4-winds-f antasy-gaming---barbarian-archetypes/serene-barbarian