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Sadly, i don't have any friends who want to do PbP. But, it was a great run, it got a lot further than most PbPs get into an adventure path. Thanks GMEdwin!

alrighty, let me know! take care and smash that work

i still check very occasionally for signs of life

Tara Ravenheart wrote:

Wow, this sounds like an amazing game! I played in one rather brief Dark Sun game ages ago back in 2nd edition, but remember it being a cool setting, definitely different from the "standard medieval fantasy". It looks like you have really made the setting your own - I am super interested in the "necropunk" concept.

I want to make sure I understand the design rules around tristalt + prestige class along one theme. Would something like this make sense: a wandering mystic able to summon the fury of the storm in battle (druid+ranger+barbarian, with horizon walker for prestige class)?

I understand I am using Paizo classes for my example, not 3pp - I will need to do some research there! I have always wanted to try the Spheres of Power/Might system, this clearly seems like a good chance.

The necropunk idea came out of my speculation about the 'planetary adventure' angle of the 2e material. You may remember that the naturemasters and benders were scheduled to return on an asteroid as part of the 2e metaplot (the introductory adventure with the 2e set references this concept and is about a cache of rhulistic biotech). I sort of went down a rabbit hole with the idea of what if the halflings themselves were extra terrestrials, and the thri kreen were actually the original species of Athas (the canon has them existing in the Blue Age in a winged form, but what if the base form of life on Athas is insectoid?). I connected that to some concepts from the Alternity Star Drive setting and Babylon 5 regarding precursor alien civilizations and the Destiny MMO -- which has a concept of 'paracausal powers' of light and darkness. My idea in this cosmology is that psionics is native to Athas and defiling and preserving are alien arts taught by these precursor alien civilizations, who are agents of the paracausal powers of destruction/darkness/chaos and light/order/creation. The haflings were agents of some of these entities who arrived on the planet to terriform it....

sweeeeet

i'm interested. Eberron and Dark Sun are two of my favorite settings

alrighty. should i make a character?

i'll put together a more coherent idea once we move from interest check to an actual post with rules. but i am interested for sure

i'm thinking of making mine being some kind of boogeyman

do we have a sort of list of the character ideas that have already been presented? since we are more or less to stick to one theme rather than being entire parties unto ourselves, i want to stake a claim on an idea that someone else hasnt had

Heya Seb,

This sounds super interesting! Some suggestions, if I may?

1) Instead of banning all of Paizo material, how about just banning all the core classes? A lot of people default to them, myself included. Sorcerer is probably a top 3 class for me.

*However* to keep with your theme of 3pp, limit each PC to only one non core Paizo class.

2) For races, there's actually a fair amount that can be found on d20PFSRD. But, maybe ban all core races, and then like a handful of commonly chosen other races(Aasimar/Tiefling/Drow, etc)? I don't think banning Kitsune or Oread is necessary, for example.

3) I'm not sure about banning all Paizo spells.

On the one hand, as said above, there's not much out there to replace basic healing spells. Though, the Life sphere should be good(plus class features).

However, there is a ton of 3pp spells out there, so you won't be too hard pressed to find interesting ones.

4) I think the scaling core feats are fine, but there's a ton of less used Paizo feats out there. If you go with your usual 3 per level for Tristalt, that allows you to really dig into less common feats.

I had a lot of fun looking into more interesting feats for Hamza for example.

5) One other thing to consider: What happens when a 3pp class grants a feat that isn't one of the scaling ones? Or if it has a spell list that includes a lot of Paizo spells? Attempting to replace them could lead to a lot balance issues.

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This could be an truly awesome concept, but I think a bit of flexibility on what's banned will actually lead to a much better game, than just outright banning *everything* from Paizo.

no skin in the game for myself yet as i don't have a concept nailed down, but along the lines of what MG said, maybe give people "paizo points". For example, everyone has 10 points, and if you want to use a paizo class (perhaps still banning core), that's 4 points. 1 point could be a feat, or access to 10 spells. idk havent totally fleshed out the idea, but it's something

I am interested. I am sure I would put spheres stuff in as I am familiar, but I would have at least part of it be some non-sphere thing to keep things interesting.

i am wondering at the feasibility of doing 3 classes that are blended, like not full caster not full martial. or something that is maybe only "full" in certain respects (such as the classes that get 1 sphere at full, the others at 2/3rds or whatever, or like flurry of blows getting full martial but other that not full, idk). Very rough wisp of an idea

Hmm, I would be interested. I am a big fan of the spheres system, might and power. And I am sure a lot has changed since I last looked at it.

still looking for players here?

i will throw my name in for the waiting list. No ideas yet, but when the time comes if i could see a list of consolidated rules that would be awesome.

been out of the pbp boards for awhile but Eberron is a surefire way to suck me back in

im still in

present

checking in. not rushing anyone, i just suddenly remembered the game and was worried i was holding us up. glad i was not. hah

get better(-er) soon! gotta be careful these days

i'm still here, slammed at work though. the first year of my job is running around like a chicken with its head cut off

yeah i dont wanna be the guy holding everyone else up

we can skip this fight if you want, to get back to the story for the others. i only somewhat insisted on the idea because i didn't want to suggest that Cretien wouldn't follow up

nice yeah i have been busy at work since zoom means i am always available haha

how's everyone doing in this crazy world?

it's all good with me either way.

i would say maybe not unanimous consent. because i for one object to any further changes for the reason that i dont have time to update the character. take with that what you may, im not going to feel bad if it becomes not unanimous and i am then outvoted. but itll be May before i have time to update any characters to the extent that these changes require.

why are we reworking things?

Still interested. I think I might need to walk back the "twins" idea to only one PC though - the champion of the guard who kicks butt and scares/debuffs her enemies.

check this class out maybe youll like it

regarding the paragon feats.

so you have to have a stat of 1 unless you have a reason for it to be a non-ability such as being undead or a construct.

the feat says if you take it at first level but are using point buy, you get half the points. this is not wise in our rule set here because you are basically screwing yourself out of a feat. i can explain this point mathematically but itll be easier if you trust me.

so the BEST path would be to not take it at first level, and assign all 1s to the stats you are taking paragon for.

what i did with Slade, for instance: I took mental paragon at 4th level. Prior to that, I had all 7s in each score (which i probably didnt need to do, i guess i could have given them all 1s but at that point in the creation i assumed minimums were 7 per normal point buy). Then I took the mental paragon feat, which essentially gave me 11x3=33 more points to use on my 108 point buy. if i had done all 1s, i would have had 18 more points to play with.

Seb, how does Physical Paragon (three 18s) interact with 108 pt buy from zero? Is it effectively the same as changing the point buy to 108+18+18+18?

What I was really intending was for everyone to look up their starting stats. Without any modifiers. Then add on another whatever number of points brings that up to 108. You have that many more points to distribute on your stats. So if you had straight 15s, you have 18 more points to put on your stats.

Do we still have interest in this? I have some more ideas for this campaign I've been toying with -- particularly what the vanished high priest is up to exactly.

I understand it takes a long time to build these characters.

still interested with a 2/3rds built character

Sebecloki wrote:

It only raises the value of you were below that. If you started with 36, then it does nothing. You have to decide what you level 1 build was and move from there adding on stuff.

Well, that's nonsense. I never had a 'level 1 build'. Can I retroactively use Physical Paragon at level 1? I mean, it's a Horrifically Overpowered feat. It's supposed to break the rules.

The entire point is that it sets your physical stats to 18, and if you're using point buy, you can still increase them beyond that. You just normally have half the points.

If that's not going to the case, can I just trade it out for a different HOPF? Because otherwise, it's utterly useless, and you forced us to take take it of our HOPF slots, as opposed to it being a bonus feat.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I really don't care about actually having super high stats. The entire reason I said anything in the first place was because when I did the point buy of 108, and started with the three 18s from Physical Paragon, Hamza's stats were really freakin high.

I ended up with Str: 22, Dex: 48, Con: 22, Int: 38, Wis: 38 and Cha: 36.

Which, at our level is nonsense.

My main issue is it seems like Physical Paragon is useless with this new stat generation method. If that is actually the case, I would like to be able to trade it out for something useful.

you can take Physical Paragon after first level. It is entirely possible to build a character one level at a time, or to do so at least as pertains to feats and abilities. Make your base stats whatever you want, and then take Physical Paragon whenever you want. Put all 1s in physical stats. Who cares?

sounds good

Sebecloki wrote:

I'm already pretty frustrated with this game with all the group infighting and the result I now have to retcon stuff to get it back on track in kind of a messy way. In light of having to put up with all that, I'm definitely doing whatever I feel like with it in terms of setting and the worldbuilding elements I find interesting.

There's no need to retcon anything. Put Ynja in jail for stealing the body of Fumiko, and that solves that nicely. It's already in place. No need to get exotic.

i would just have had the body fall suddenly, now dead. whatever magic bound the wrong soul to it having just failed

Actually, I had a whole idea for an interesting non-combat scenario where there was a trial for destroying the shine, but it was unclear how to apply the law given the dual body situation, and that's all pretty much ruined.

yeah idk how that would have played out logically given that one of the bodies is a town celebrity

I will not be drawn into personal attacks Tenro. The Boards are very clear on what your doing and on not allowing such things.

It's called cyberbullying clear and simple.

Now retract your personal attacks please.

I appreciate that you feel the way you do. However, misdirection and blame-casting will get you nowhere. I have in no way attacked you or bullied you. If you think my posts inappropriate, the "Flag" button is right there.

Now this is not the same thing at all. Up until now we have been talking about PCs. and there actions. Being respectful throwout to each other. As fellow players, willing to discuss things.

But Tenro, that is as clear an attack on a fellow player as I have ever read. I have to ask, was your motivation in joining this game to attack my PC and then myself. If so, that is not the kind of play I think Paizo wants on the its PBP boards.

just because you post under a PC alias does not mean it is not wrong what you are doing. I won't be fooled by your misdirection attempts both in doing so and in blaming others for actions that YOU as a PLAYER chose for your PC.

I mean, this is just standard DnD etiquette. Tropes are tropes for a reason. "Edgy rogue" is a thing. Saying "that's what my PC would have done!" is not a defense for attacking a fellow PC (not that you did this, merely an example of a trope. )

As for my motivations, the game looked fun and according to the GM needed more players. I joined with reservations after seeing you were in it, but i figured it had been a few years since i had witnessed problematic behavior from you. I have been on these boards a great many years and have been in a great many games. I have seen your behavior before. I had hoped you had gotten better but it is clear you have not.

I see this as a teachable moment. It may not be, but that is what I see it as. You can learn from your problematic behavior and its effect on others, or you can choose not to. I am happy to leave the game if the GM at his/her sole discretion directs me to, or the other players (excluding you) vote me out in majority.

I am not unwilling to keep gaming with you. I *am*, however, unwilling to sit by silently and be victimized by your behavior.

You mean after Pai Songs demanded that Ynja be detained, calling her unnatural and a blasphemous. Even after ynja said she was a victim.

You know attacking back after being a victim is common in trumatic cases,
Like Ynja's who had a very traumatic one. Again she came willingly seeking help, but in place of help in her view was victimised a second time. I have set out why Ynja feels sthis. If you keep on at her like this your doing nothing more than proving that point to her.

So as I said, you now have a choice, You can keep having a go at Ynja who has handed her self willingly over to the law OR you can go back to the game plot.

It's your call.

sounds like you are threatening to hold the game's progression ransom for the fee of being able to do whatever ridiculous thing you see fit. then, in doing so, victim blaming those you are holding ransom.

as has been said many times, this is a game for many people, not just you. you might have more fun writing a book rather than trying to be a part of a collaborative experience.

can someone be of assistance? I am trying to figure out if the paizo site is having some sort of malfunction. this campaign lists Seb as the GM yet Ynja appears to have complete authority over the NPCs and deciding to split the party and such. Is anyone else getting this error?

youll just have to forgive that i am none too keen on disclosing actual stats to party members especially in this party where i have been keeping up and things very readily verged on PvP. My abilities and defenses are none of your concern except as pertains to what you find out naturally in the course of in-character interaction.

I am doubly none too keen on it considering one of the repeated requests was also the catalyst of the near-PvP.

First, given the number of games people are in, characters they encounter, and time that goes by between interactions, it is one of the easiest ways to reference who a character is and what their capabilities are.

Second, in this specific case, people might want to understand how you arrived at a 216 point stat total without being accusatory.

The GM has the sheet and the math is explicitly laid out.

Who he is: learn via in character interaction

Capabilities: see my first post with spellcraft DCs, or naturally encounter them in a non-metagame way.

I'm not sure why I'm getting, in some cases repeated, requests for access to my sheet. The only people that need access have access. I dont ask to see paper sheets from my fellow players at the table in real life so I find this highly irregular.

Slade, the character sheet in your profile is not viewable.

It is viewable for the GM.

Yes they interpreted my statement correctly. The gimping was aimed at your idea that the roll methods or 35 points could beat 108.

The part about 50/110 was just making a point that after all your complaint of 108 not being good enough you asked for 110.

Just checking,

Dark Sun used the above (1) 35pt. buy, (2) roll 2d6 + 6 as many times as you like, or (3) 5d6 drop the lowest 2 ability scores.

Rise is 50pt buy, while Numenera is a 40pt.

Point buy is apparently your preferred method to offer the PCs, so I think we could pick one of those, and be fine.

How about 50pts, start at base 10s, but 1 to 1?

you are literally gimping your character. there is no way you can surpass all 18s with any of the methods you mentioned. if there is, i'm going to need you to show me mathematically how.

50 points, 1-to-1 on top of all 10s gets you a grand total of 2 more points than the 108pt buy method turns out to be

I hadn't considered that -- I would lean towards everyone having the same wealth.

that is what i figured, i just know that wealth is also factored into the CR of a PC at a given level so i wondered

x2 maximum per level

I assume the base level not counting any tradeins? for instance if you traded template levels for class levels?

@Tenro, can you give me a synopsis/background of the character so I know how to integrate you?

a champion chosen by Gozreh to represent and defend the natural world. a human-looking man of some age, brought forward from who knows when. When he washes ashore in each lifetime, he knows his mission. He has eyes that glow as lightning, and the air around him always smells like rain before a massive storm. He wields the elements against those who would seek to subvert the natural order.

(still need to do his gear, what is the wealth for this game?)

Wounds = 4 x Charisma or Constitution (wound threshold x 2 constitution or charisma)

Vigor = hit dice + Charisma or Constitution bonus, max each level, x 2 at level 1.

I thought Vigor specifically did not include CON.

and also can anyone use CHA or just undead and constructs?

@Seb: so you said double our wounds and vigor?

so Vigor is max per level and based on your HD type, then doubled?

Wounds are usually double your CON score so for us it would be CON*4? and the threshold is usually CON so it would be CON*2? or did you mean double both of those as well for *8 and *4 respectively?

Yeah drop beastlord and the wizard one and pick up a godling or two. Character concept is chosen of gozreh who was brought to the current point and place in time for a purpose

Here I am

Yeah drop beastlord and the wizard one and pick up a godling or two. Character concept is chosen of gozreh who was brought to the current point and place in time for a purpose