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Don't have a character in tier, so using this alias as a pregen.
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Could someone be so kind as placing Ash’s token as I’m a phone poster and always screw the slides up? I can get my modifiers in just fine, but the token kills me.
Thanks!
No problem--I placed it in the middle of the marching order, but can move it around if you'd like. Who'd ever thunk there'd be two undine psychics in the same scenario!
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There is no felonious catfolk here! Volsung had a really weird dream where he turned into an ethics free catfolk rogue, but it was only a dream.
Just a little stressed about something and posted here with wrong character.
Ha, just put a post in Gameplay where she swipes something from the meeting hall and runs off. We'll consider it a Special Cameo Appearance :)
Does anyone have the chronicle sheet from Scenario #8–12: Tyranny of Winds, Part 3: Caught in the Eclipse on the character they are using here?
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Here are the full rules that I put together as handout when I was GMing a scenario here:
Subjective Directional Gravity
In most parts of the Plane of Air, an individual chooses the direction of gravity’s pull. When walking on solid surfaces, choosing the direction of the surface to be “down” is relatively intuitive and does not require a skill check. In midair, creatures with natural flight can fly normally. Those without the ability to fly, or those who would prefer to move faster, can attempt to set the direction of gravity.
Once per round as a free action, an individual can attempt a DC 16 Wisdom check to pick a new direction for gravity. If she succeeds, she begins falling in that direction, moving 150 feet in a straight line on the first round and 300 feet on each succeeding round. If she fails, she can attempt the Wisdom check again the following round. The DC decreases to 12 until she succeeds. Once an individual starts falling in a direction, stopping requires a successful DC 16 Wisdom check to set gravity in the exact opposite direction. If she succeeds, she continues falling 150 feet in her original direction for 1 round, and then stops.
Falling is a Move action
If falling adjacent to object/structure upon which creature could stand, DC 18 Wisdom or Reflex check to stop on/at it.
If falling into object without stopping:
• 15d6 damage for 150 ft. speed
• 20d6 (max) damage for 300 ft. speed
Because an individual in free fall cannot stop quickly, performing actions during the fall is difficult. However, the PCs may ready actions and perform them during the free fall, such as readying an action to grab an object or to attack a creature while soaring past it. Moving past an opponent in this manner provokes an attack of opportunity.
A PC under the effects of a feather fall spell falls at only 60 feet per round and gains a +2 circumstance bonus on the Wisdom checks to change direction.
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Question for our GM about the spell Burst of Insight and particularly how it can be used from a wand.
It's an immediate action to cast. Can I cast it on myself immediately before I roll a Diplomacy or similar check? Does the one round of being dazed right after casting this spell have any effect on such a social interaction?
More specifically, can I cast it from a wand before making such a check? This would involve me using a wand on myself directly before making a Diplomacy or similar roll.
Part of the difficulty is determining when an immediate action occurs in a non-combat situation when we are not in rounds.
I'm totally open to however our GM wants to rule on this.
The subjective gravity comment is straight from the text of the module. And yes, if you can fly, you do so normally; if not, you make a check to try to change what direction is "down" for you to travel in that direction.
As for the wand, I don't think what you're trying is feasible.
Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the spell being cast has a longer casting time than 1 action, however, it takes that long to cast the spell from a wand.)
I would expect that if a wand has the same casting time as its spell, they would have just said so. If someone can point me to where it says otherwise, I would reconsider.
The spell makes little sense if dazed applies to the action you are attempting, though, so it would be the round after you make the check that the penalty applies.
I've always had questions about how certain items could be used in social encounters. Sure, your mask gives you +4 Charisma, but the people you are talking to know you're wearing it. Still, I try to give players the benefit of the doubt when it's not clear.
Ha, something similar happened in one of the campaigns I ran. All of the PCs walked around in (looted) mask of the mantis and the players always seemed put out when I had townsfolk react appropriately.
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I've always had questions about how certain items could be used in social encounters. Sure, your mask gives you +4 Charisma, but the people you are talking to know you're wearing it. Still, I try to give players the benefit of the doubt when it's not clear.
There are a multitude of nonsensical aspects about fantasy RPGs. The use of magic in public is one of them. In truth, if people could cast Charm Person since Day 1, the world would be vastly different than it is in Pathfinder. So when the game tries to incorporate technology that would fundamentally alter it, it's no wonder that we can't logically resolve outcomes.
There's no right way to resolve this. Either you let the players use the tools, and the world seems fake, or you try to make it real, and you go down a rabbit hole because you're being arbitrary about what you are making real and what you are ignoring.
All that aside, I have a question about Hunter's Eye Seems a spell like this should work on an invisible stalker, but I don't want to wait until I've cast it to find out you see it differently.
I believe the ruling is that magic that allows you to see invisible things reveals an invisible stalker as a vague outline.
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The scenario definitely suggests fighting as an option, but only gives directions for negotiation or stealth. Presumably by this tier, GMs are expected to be able to handle combat.
Yes, I have stat blocks. And I think the option to negotiate has expired.
No, free and either a move or standard (though you could use that to take a swift instead if desired).
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Target or Targets: Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
So i specifically asked if HE worked on an Invisible Stalker as you cannot see the target knowing that you typically have to see a creature to target it. Some GMs recognize the futility of the spell as written and have allowed it to still work. HE also says it works on ethereal creatures, and you can't see or touch them. So if this spell doesn't work on something that's already ethereal, how is it suppose to work?
I've done some research and others have agreed that the RAI is that this should work on a creature that is already invisible or ethereal. A Ranger has like 2 spells at this level, so who is going to prepare HE if it only works on creatures that haven't yet turned invisible. Unfortunately 1e is dead and no one from Paizo is going to address this.
I would bet it's fairly obvious whatever Intern wrote this spell at Paizo, forgot about the targeting rules and it never got caught by the editors.
It's supposed to prevent someone from escaping you by becoming invisible or ethereal. Is it a great spell? No, most ranger spells aren't. It's highly situational, and when it works, it's fantastic. I don't think they intended for this to be a personal invisibility purge. I could accept the argument that, if you already know what square the invisible creature is in, you can use hunter's eye on it, but not just "is there someone invisible within 150 feet of me?".
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It's supposed to prevent someone from escaping you by becoming invisible or ethereal. Is it a great spell? No, most ranger spells aren't. I could accept the argument that, if you already know what square the invisible creature is in, you can use hunter's eye on it, but not just "is there someone invisible within 150 feet of me?".
So for the sake of discussion...
I don't think it was designed to stop someone from escaping. An invisible creature can just be tracked normally. And as far as ethereal, there aren't many creatures that can turn ethereal, so you wouldn't make s spell for that. In addition, the spell only lasts 6 minutes at 9th level. That's not long enough to pursue someone out of combat.
It's highly situational, and when it works, it's fantastic.
I'm not sure I'd go with "highly." By the time you get to 8th level (to get the spell), there's a lot more invisibility, but more importantly, the spell says
"You ignore concealment provided by fog or mist, blur, displacement, invisibility, and similar effects affecting the target, but not concealment provided by darkness."
These italic words are spells and things that more routinely get cast after combat starts. The idea being the Ranger uses the spell to defeat them and he's not casting Hunter's Eye in anticipation.
I don't think they intended for this to be a personal invisibility purge.
Agreed. It only works on one target. But it clearly is intended to get past invisibility for that one target.
I could accept the argument that, if you already know what square the invisible creature is in, you can use hunter's eye on it, but not just "is there someone invisible within 150 feet of me?".
Yes. I think the spell should have absolutely stated that. It should be enough to pinpoint the creature. This would allow it to work on ethereal creatures as well, because you're not going to touch them or see them.
But since there will never be any more PF1 errata, I can only appeal to GMs.
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Wanted to double check on Ulfur's second miss. He rolled a 22 and I did not add the -2 for AC. So the end result would be a 24. Bom hit earlier with a shield bash on a 23, before there was a -2, so was hoping to understand if there is something else going on in terms of the AC's or modifiers.
Apologies for pausing the game on this, but it is kind of a big deal given we had one player already go down.
Thanks.
The AC is higher than 24, and the previous attack gets a bonus for "GM misunderstood and doesn't want to change things to the players' detriment".
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@Team - Based on how difficult it was to kill the 1st elemental, I'm guessing they have 90+ hit points. We can't fight through them all. We have to quickly take down Efwufa or howwever you spell it.
@Ashwell, @Volsung, Ghukar, can you target the mercenary group leader? I can send Ulfur to block off green. But once Purple and Orange stop fightng each other, we are going to be overwhelmed. Unless we can hit them with another Confusion.
Arrius, last chance to use my math and be unconscious at -10.