Darkleaf Cloth Armored Coat, Legal?


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Shadow Lodge

Simple question, is Darkleaf Cloth a legal material to make an Armored Coat out of in Pathfinder Society?

Darkleaf Cloth:
Darkleaf cloth is a special form of flexible material made by weaving together leaves and thin strips of bark from darkwood trees, then treating the resulting fabric with special alchemical processes. The resulting material is tough as cured hide but much lighter, making it an excellent material from which to create armor. Spell failure chances for armors made from darkleaf cloth decrease by 10% (to a minimum of 5%), maximum Dexterity bonuses increase by 2, and armor check penalties decrease by 3 (to a minimum of 0).

An item made from darkleaf cloth weighs half as much as the same item made from normal cured leather, furs, or hides. Items not primarily constructed of leather, fur, or hide are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of darkleaf cloth. As such padded, leather, studded leather, and hide armor can be made out of darkleaf cloth (although other types of armor made of leather or hide might be possible). Because darkleaf cloth remains flexible, it cannot be used to construct rigid items such as shields or metal armors. Armors fashioned from darkleaf cloth are always masterwork items as well; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given below.

Armored Coat:
This sturdy leather coat is reinforced with metal plates sewn into the lining.

Benefit: More cumbersome than light armor but less effective than most medium armors, the advantage of an armored coat is that a person can don it or remove it as a move action (there is no “don hastily” option for an armored coat). If worn over other armor, use the better AC bonus and worse value in all other categories; an armored coat has no effect if worn with heavy armor. The only magic effects that apply are those worn on top.

As the Armored Coat is reinforced with metal plates that means it is primarily constructed of leather, fulfilling the requirement to be made out of Darkleaf Cloth, yet even in the Ultimate Equipment book, Armored Cloth is not mentioned in the description despite that the armor does in fact appear in Ultimate Equipment.

Grand Lodge

It's a custom item therefore not legal.

Liberty's Edge

Dylos wrote:

Simple question, is Darkleaf Cloth a legal material to make an Armored Coat out of in Pathfinder Society?

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As the Armored Coat is reinforced with metal plates that means it is primarily constructed of leather, fulfilling the requirement to be made...

This is not a PFS related question. This is a rules question and should be on the main boards.

We are seeing a huge amount of questions on the PFS boards asking general rules questions and then asking how we do it in PFS.

The answer is, unless it is specifically in the FAQ or Guide for specific changes to the rules due to organized play, it works exactly as it does in the main rules set.

PFS also cannot answer every ambiguous case, or the FAQ and Guide would be hundreds of pages long, and a further clarification from the game developers may cause such a ruling to be obsolete and cause more issues than necessary.

As such, make sure that those two items are even legal in PFS by looking at Additional Resources. If they appear to be legal, then perhaps the main rules question boards could get you an answer.

My opinion is: I don’t know. The fact that studded leather is ok, would make me believe that an armored coat would be as well.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
It's a custom item therefore not legal.

No more custom then Mithral Full Plate.

Dark Archive RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

LazarX wrote:
It's a custom item therefore not legal.

Certain custom items are legal. For example, you do not have to wait for Adamantium Full Plate to appear on a chronicle sheet for you to buy it. All of the Core Special Materials except for Dragon Hide are legal for purchase.

Back to the OP: An armored coat CANNOT be made of Darkleaf, but it can be made out of Mithral since it is reinforced with metal plates. You'd have to give me moment to find it, but a Mithral Armored Coat appears on the chronicle sheet of one of the Pathfinder Novels...

Shadow Lodge

Justin Riddler wrote:
Back to the OP: An armored coat CANNOT be made of Darkleaf, but it can be made out of Mithral since it is reinforced with metal plates. You'd have to give me moment to find it, but a Mithral Armored Coat appears on the chronicle sheet of one of the Pathfinder Novels...

How the heck does an item primarily made of leather but reinforced with metal fulfill the requirements to be made of Mithral?

Mithral:
Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a quarterstaff cannot.)

Dark Archive RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32

It was actually made of Adamantium and can be found here:

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The protective quality of the coat comes from the metal plates... without them the coat would be a coat... or an AC bonus of +0. That is how I rationalize it.

Liberty's Edge

Dylos wrote:
Justin Riddler wrote:
Back to the OP: An armored coat CANNOT be made of Darkleaf, but it can be made out of Mithral since it is reinforced with metal plates. You'd have to give me moment to find it, but a Mithral Armored Coat appears on the chronicle sheet of one of the Pathfinder Novels...

How the heck does an item primarily made of leather but reinforced with metal fulfill the requirements to be made of Mithral?

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I think the idea is this. The armor portion of the coat is not leather or cloth. It is metal.

The coat (leather/cloth portion) gives the armor (metal portion) the ability to remove the armor as a move action.

So the coat (leather/cloth portion) provides no actual armor bonus. It is the metal sewn into it that does.

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
It's a custom item therefore not legal.

I’m not sure how you can say darkleaf cloth being applied to an item that is valid for darkleaf cloth would be considered a custom item and not legal for PFS, when custom materials are legal in PFS.

Kinda silly to think that Mithril or Darkwood is legal, and then I’d buy some and say, “hey look guys, I have a chunk of darkwood, yeah!”

Unless you are referring to the fact that Darkleaf Cloth wouldn’t ordinarily be allowed for an armored coat and thus would be considered a custom item that isn’t legal.


I think the important part is the metal, so you'd have to use the mithril costs to make it lighter.


I would allow the use of the material in the coat but as the leather part isn't the part providing the protection (the metal plates sewn/attached to the leather are) I couldn't see the material providing its benefit. Mithril would be the way to go using CRB.

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