Thank you for the selection!
I will make Telye Sin's alias shortly.
And I will need to change her background.
Munchkin question, just to clear the air... As we are an established group, and as Telye has the Craft Wonderous Items feat to help her "deal with the costs" of her magic items... Can she help the others at the party, and make also their stuff for half price?
I'll start working on linked spells.
So one half priced wonderous item, which is very generous.
Stealth is fairly tricky from a rules standpoint. If I have hide in plain sight (the vigilantee talent version, which is identical to the shadow dancer version), and hellcat stealth feat , and I move (more than a 5’ step) I think this means I can enter stealth, even if observed? Do I need both of these or is hellcat stealth sufficient? What about if I use the dimension door ability, with the dimension agility feat chain, could this be done on each jump?
Also, how does false attacker rogue talent work with multiple people, is it my bluff and each of them gets a check? Its a bit of a headache to figure out how these things work, but I figured I should ask sooner rather than later.
Hide in Plain Sight (Ex): The vigilante can use Stealth to hide even when being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of dim light (his own shadow doesn’t count), he can hide without anything to actually hide behind. Only a stalker vigilante of at least 8th level can select this talent.
For other PCs, my backstory included travel all over golarion, so I am pretty adaptable about when we met. I wrote something about being a member if queen Galfrey’s crusade, but I’m open to anyones suggestions on how we know each other?
Yes you can, you've had about a month off so if you wanted to be working on 1 thing for each of your party members you could, kind of like an "I'm thinking of you" kind of gift that will be new to them. I will consider any other gear existing before the break but will also let it be bought at half price assuming you crafted it while the group was out on their previous exploits.
That make sense at all?
Sounds great!
Telye Sin can use her feat "Craft Wondrous Items" for all of the Wondrous Items of the party, so it costs us all 1/2 normal price. Correct?
I had written Taz's story with the idea he was based in Absalom.
Should we set aside gp for diamond dust / diamonds for Telye to use as material components for restoration/raise dead/resurrection?
Yes you can, you've had about a month off so if you wanted to be working on 1 thing for each of your party members you could, kind of like an "I'm thinking of you" kind of gift that will be new to them. I will consider any other gear existing before the break but will also let it be bought at half price assuming you crafted it while the group was out on their previous exploits.
That make sense at all?Sounds great!
Telye Sin can use her feat "Craft Wondrous Items" for all of the Wondrous Items of the party, so it costs us all 1/2 normal price. Correct?
I understood this to be one half price item, from our dear friend.
Yes, please.
Or we can pòol gold to buy wands.
Hello all, will work on finalizing character and creating profile. I built into my character's background that he had gone through the Kingmaker campaign, which ends I believe around level 15 or 16. He's from Restov. If that doesn't work, I am open to other ideas how we know each other.
Hey guys! I’ll finalize spell choices soon, but mostly I’ve got attack spells. Magus, after all. Mostly ranged because I’m going with a pistol-wielding Eldritch Archer, but some touch as well.
Tazwel is from Absolom, what did you do there? Are you a preeminent maestro? What adventures have you gone on that may have had you interact with others? Damon essentially founded a nation state, perhaps during Laara's earlier travels before she joined the crusade she became friends with Damon on a few bounty missions before she moved on?
As a potential hook for this adventrue, I wrote "The queen (Galfrey) would have probably been more upset, but there was a pressing mission where Laara’s unique skills could be applied. Crusaders had uncovered a ritual allowing demons to escape to the Moonscar and then escape back to Golarion, and the riftwardens had engineered a modification of the ritual that’d send brave heroes to fight there." If that works for the GM, maybe I helped assemble some previous friends, along with others who may have shared such a background originally? As a cleric of Desna, has Telye fought demons before?
What about Othniel's background?
I'm completely open to changing my background to fit whatever we decide together as a party, just trying to get a feel for it.
For my own edification, I compiled the following, which could be wildly inaccurate, just what I could glean.
Mechanics-- roles
Othniel Laurentius – Magus 16—Ranged, Spell Damage, Knowledges?
Telye Sin—Cleric 16—Support, Healing
Damon Surtova—Fighter 16 -- Melee
Laara – Rogue 12, Horizon Walker 3, Monk 1 – Melee, Skills
Tazwell Bladenkurst—Bard 16 – Ranged, Support, Buffing, Skills, Knowledges?
@ Damon Are you interested in taking the Outflank teamwork? I was thinking of this (especially since 9/day I'll be able to flank with myself, which is pretty cool), but generally it can provide both AoOs and a bonus to hit when flanking.
Here is Damon. Up to 284,520 gp spent - still looking around.
Damon is fine with knowing Tazwel through the nation-state and adventuring together. Damon is always looking for some new challenge.
Definitely interested in Outflank - I crit on 17-20. :)
I understood this to be one half price item, from our dear friend.Yes you can, you've had about a month off so if you wanted to be working on 1 thing for each of your party members you could, kind of like an "I'm thinking of you" kind of gift that will be new to them. I will consider any other gear existing before the break but will also let it be bought at half price assuming you crafted it while the group was out on their previous exploits.
That make sense at all?Sounds great!
Telye Sin can use her feat "Craft Wondrous Items" for all of the Wondrous Items of the party, so it costs us all 1/2 normal price. Correct?
So nice of Telye to give me that Ring of Protection +5...
Ooh, just saw about one half price item. Hmm....let me think.
I assume that Damon really wants to be in combat making full attacks.
There are a couple (3?) of us that can cast Dimension Door. I assume you would want us to move you at the start of combats? That'll mean delaying until our initiative at the start of combat if you roll higher.
The bad news is that Tazwell doesn't have Inspire Courage.
The good news (for a couple of party members at least) is that Dweomercraft is a +3 bonus on caster level checks, concentration checks, and attack rolls with spells and spell-like abilities. Again, if I can start the performance before you roll spell resistance, then I'll buff your roll.
Okay for my "gift", this is my proposal. Damon had a Belt of Perfection +2 and Telye will surprise him by upgrading it to a Belt +4! Belt +2 costs 16000 and to upgrade it to +4 is an additional 48K, which Telye can do for 24K. That way the belt costs Damon a total of 40K and he saves 24K!
I assume that Damon really wants to be in combat making full attacks.
There are a couple (3?) of us that can cast Dimension Door. I assume you would want us to move you at the start of combats? That'll mean delaying until our initiative at the start of combat if you roll higher.
The bad news is that Tazwell doesn't have Inspire Courage.
The good news (for a couple of party members at least) is that Dweomercraft is a +3 bonus on caster level checks, concentration checks, and attack rolls with spells and spell-like abilities. Again, if I can start the performance before you roll spell resistance, then I'll buff your roll.
Of course, love full-attacks. However, when he cannot do so, I changed out Dreadful Carnage for Cornugon Smash, which means that he can move, hit once with power attack, make free intimidate check to demoralize, and get swift attack on same target due to Hurtful feat. So with right rolls, 2 attacks even on standard action. And I can soften up target's saves with -2 for the spell casters.
Did you also manage to fit outflank into your build?
I can't fit it yet, maybe if we level up.
Anyone have any suggestions on tying together backstory? I made some suggestions, buy am completely open to whatever people want to do.
That sounds like flu, lots of fluids, take care of yourself!
I tried to keep Othniel’s background intentionally vague. At least for the last few decades. In my head he’s based out of Kyonin, but that could move elsewhere as needed. Wherever he’s based, he makes trips all over, so he could just be someone various party members all worked with at one time or another, or whatever.
We’re high enough level that being an eclectic group that adventures together makes sense, even if from all over the place, the question is what is our common motivation for adventuring, why do we work with each other? What sorts of adventures have you had? I think vague is fine, but it’d be nice to tie stuff together a bit.
Damon adventures to get over the monotony of helping run a kingdom. His whole adventuring career was the Kingmaker Campaign, so he's familiar with the Stolen Lands, River Kingdoms, the First World, etc.
Laara and Damon could have met long ago before Damon got promoted to bureaucrat. How does Damon feel about demon hunting missions in the worldwound to stave off boredom? Would others be interested in that or have alternative suggestions?
Oooh, Worldwound, sounds fun. That works!
Hey sorry for the lack of posts...I have some sort of mix between a cold and the flu. Had a 103.4 degree fever.
Don't worry, I am still finishing my character.
Taz is a fading rockstar who doesn't want to give up stardom.
He's looking for inspiration for one more great rock ballad to bring him back to center stage.
He's also something of a ladies man, having chased beautiful women across the inner sea.
In the backstory I wrote, I had some generic adventures with a group fighting dragons and exploring an undersea city.
I've got an update to his character sheet in the works.
By the way, don't worry about Inspire Courage, Telye Sin will summon Azatas to do the work.
Shopping and character are complete.
I think Telye Sin is ready too. Just needs the DM's blessing.
Telye is a Cleric of Desna, specialized in Summoning and Buffing. She knows how to craft Wondrous Items and Alchemical Items. And she NEVER does damage to anyone. No HP damage, ever. At least directly. Buffing and helping your characters, summing creatures to fight, slow, confound, paralyze, curse the enemy, it all is ok. But to grab a weapon or attack directly with a spell, never.
I originally imagined her background to be after the Crimson Throne but as a Varisian wanderer that can be adapted easily.
She looks for the next vista. To go to a new place she has not seen before.
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Notes:
- She has the Shield Other spell. If any of your characters want her to cast it on you, please buy your 50 GP platinum ring.
- She has a Bag of Holding I with some extra space. If you want her to hold some of your items, no problem. Better yet, if you want to pool some gold to turn it into a Bag of Holding II or better, let me know (1,250 GP to II, 2,450 GP to III, 3,750 GP to IV). If we upgrade it, she will need help carrying it.
- It seems to be a problem with the Alias pictures. I will try to set it later.
By the way, Telye will cast Wind Walk on our characters each day on the morning unless you prefer she doesn't.
In summary, for 16 hours your characters can become a cloud-like vapor in 5 rounds, gaining Flight Speed 10' with perfect maneuverability. They can regain their physical form in 5 rounds more. They are not invisible but appear misty and translucent. We can also use it to fly at 600 feet per round with poor maneuverability.
Normally, a wind walker flies at a speed of 10 feet with perfect maneuverability. If desired by the subject, a magical wind wafts a wind walker along at up to 600 feet per round (60 mph) with poor maneuverability. Wind walkers are not invisible but rather appear misty and translucent. If fully clothed in white, they are 80% likely to be mistaken for clouds, fog, vapors, or the like.
A wind walker can regain its physical form as desired and later resume the cloud form. Each change to and from vaporous form takes 5 rounds, which counts toward the duration of the spell (as does any time spent in physical form). As noted above, you can dismiss the spell, and you can even dismiss it for individual wind walkers and not others.
For the last minute of the spell’s duration, a wind walker in cloud form automatically descends 60 feet per round (for a total of 600 feet), though it may descend faster if it wishes. This descent serves as a warning that the spell is about to end.
Windwalk is amazing for minimzing travel time. I bought the ring and Laara would really appreciate shield other.
So Laara has Shield Other! (but only when adventuring, on normal days no)
Question for our DM: How about I change the Flying Carpet for a Helmet of the Golden General (paying the difference, of course)?
Telye would use the Shared Training spell (with her Lesser Extend Metamagic Rod) to grant everyone the team feats.
Sounds ok?
If so, can we pick the feats and languages, or do you?
Tazwell has bought a 10,000gp diamnd and 2000gp in diamond dust for use in restoration and resurrection spells.
I would suggest he not be the only person to do so.
I still have to pick out a useful 1st level wizard spell that isn't on the bard list to add to his spells known.
Glad you’re feeling better.
I’ve had some time to think it over and I think I’ll just drop False Attacker out of my build altogether. It seems to be difficult to understand how it works, because certainly if a creature is attacked, it knows something attacked it, and since we plan on adventuring together, the best case scenario from this would be a single attack, and then remaining stealthed in combat. I’ll update Laara’s sheet tonight.
The question about if I need hide in plain sight (since I have hellcat stealth) is still relevant. As is what does iit takes to enter stealth (e.g. its clear that if I move normally, I can enter stealth even while observed using either HIPS or hellcat stealth; but what about if I use the dimension door to teleport around? What if I 5’ step?) Do worn and carried items impede stealth (e.g. a broom of flying).
Having talked with a few people, the connections Laara has so far are that Damon and Telye have gone demon hunting with Laara in the world wound. Laara’s latest activities, besides a recent spy craft mission to Oppara, largely involved serving as a leading (unconventional, as a chaotic good rogue) crusader specializing in dealing with demonic traps and their tampering with wardstones. I also proposed that Tazwell’s dragon hunt involved a few of us earlier in his career. So far what I’ve gathered about our adventuring careers is:
Telye: Curse of the Crimson Throne AP plot
Laara: Various stuff (see background), but a lot of travel all over golarion, involving meeting and adventuring with various members of this group.
Tazwell: Underwater adventures that began with a dragon hunt
Damon: Kingmaker
Othniel: Intentionally vague
Othniel could have been involved in some recent demon hunting as well. His girlfriend’s been bugging him to get his nose out of books and do something Good for the sake of doing something Good (Paladins. Never interested in the fascinating magical minutiae. Why, with a little more research, I could find a way to synthesize Alchemist’s Fire and Black Powder for a more effective, easier to utilize propellant...what’s that? Demons to kill? Yes dear, that’s fine. I’m coming. [sigh]) I’d planned on the AP itself being the “something”, but he can get a jump start.
Hey guys, I'm back on my feet just going to be a bit trying to catch up on posts. Sorry again for the delay. I'll hopefully get the gameplay thread up sometime before I leave work in 4.5 hours.
Welcome back!
We have some questions for you:- I think Telye Sin is ready too. Just needs the DM's blessing.
- How about I change the Flying Carpet for a Helmet of the Golden General (paying the difference, of course)?
Telye would use the Shared Training spell (with her Lesser Extend Metamagic Rod) to grant everyone the team feats.
Sounds ok?
If so, can we pick the feats and languages, or do you?
@GM did you see my questions about stealth?
Do I need hide in plain sight (the vigilant talent version, which is identical to the shadowdancer version), since I also have hellcat stealth? Also what does it takes to enter stealth (e.g. its clear that if I move normally, I can enter stealth even while observed using either HIPS or hellcat stealth; but what about if I use the dimension door to teleport around, does it apply after each jump or just the last? What if I 5’ step? During which part of my movement do I become eligible for the stealth check (e.g. after moving 5’, which matters for aoo purposes) Do worn and carried items impede stealth (e.g. a broom of flying)?
The answer to the PM is yes. I sent you some questions about it.
Party:
Which three teamwork feats do we choose?
Telye will use the Shared Training spell (with her Lesser Extend Metamagic Rod) to grant everyone the team feats.
@GM
Thanks for getting back to me about stealth. I was thinking of taking Hellcat stealth and HiPS so that there is never any question, Laara can always enter stealth, although light conditions may force me to take a -10 penalty to do so. Are you saying that I don’t need to worry about ambient lighting? If so I’ll forgo Hellcat Stealth. I’ll finalize Laara’s build depending on the answer to that.
Your answers on stealth are exactly how I’d rule it, but stealth is one of those things that different people view very differently. I calculated Laara’s encumbrance and she is not encumbered, but I needed the answer about the broom of flying because if she can’t use a broom of flying with stealth then there aren’t really non-consumable long duration methods. I don’t plan on carrying anything excessive. The main reason I ask is I’m planning to use stealth and flanking as her two ways of getting sneak attack, because if she isn’t sneak attacking, she isn’t going to be doing much combat wise.
@All PCs
Regarding tactics, I’ve switched stuff up such that I can probably open most of our combats with a swift action dimension door full attack so that Damon and I can get a full attack, and I can potentially moves others. With a caster level of 16, I can carry each of you with the dimension door. So the big question is, when combat starts, do you want to be where you are at the start of combat, or dropped into the thick of things. Looking at Telye, it looks to me like she may want to be in the thick of things just to be able to use her own dimensional abilities with Damon/Laara, but she may also want to hang back, so I’m not certain. I’m similarly not certain about Tazwell (although there it looks more like you’d prefer to be left where you start combat). Othniel probably similarly prefers not to move.
Laara will probably use flanking to full attack with sneak attack in subsequent rounds if possible, and if not, she’ll move to reestablish stealth probably use a wand to buff or something else, with the intention of full attacking the next round.
@Tazwell
Using your magician ability, I’ll probably request you use my wand of heroism on me rather than myself, since you’re much better at it! I see you have greater invisibility, if we’re ever facing foes that don’t see invisibility, Laara would love to get that buff from you.
@Telye
I’d vote for Outflank, Paired Opportunist, and Coordinated Charge personally.
Ugh, we’ve all been there :(