I knew seanchan are not a very likable people in the WoT books. Hence the choice. If i play her, like i am. A tolerable one, one that is not like most. But still have a seanchan nobel feel, with her collared channeler, how would it be like. She has a lot of abilities that can benefit the party. So i built her to compliment the group. I knew it would be a while before ahe can hopefully join
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Analin wouldn't have had such a huge problem with a Seanchan damane, but Tali was a Green Aes Sedai. She would've gone along with the 'it's a cultural thing' if Tali wasn't a captured Aes Sedai. But she is, so... yeah.
Makes the game interesting
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Rizzen, since I will eventually talk to Amorial and probably others, about the Gardeners and their ways, can I pretty much write the culture and history, since they are probably the least explored group of people in the books?
(So long as it is keeping in the fashion and tradition of the world of WoT)
That sounds interesting to explore upon. I always wondered how they managed to get rid of the longing for the stedding.
Who says they did? *shrugs* The Gardeners away from the Seanchan homeland might be like suicide troops, so dedicated to service that they accept their eventual death. Or possibly they expected to move into local stedding.
Or maybe the Gardeners' ancestors clung stubbornly to their stedding instead of running, making the best of it every day again, until finally the land settled down. They'd never have experienced the Longing or the lack.
I don't recall ever hearing that they didn't experience the longing. If the books ever mention it, I must have missed that detail. The WoT wiki doesn't mention it either.
I had always assumed that they were rotated out of the guard and back to the stedding periodically while serving in Seanchan, and that the assumption on going abroad would be that they would find stedding there to rest in. As they have plenty of histories dating from the time of Arthur Hawkwing, they would be perfectly familiar with the fact that stedding existed there.
Also, keep in mind that Ogier are supposed to be able to spend 2-5 years away from the stedding before the longing kicks in. To that end, I had assumed that the Ogier had gone with the army across the sea to look for stedding, and not that they were found there.
I do think I read in the books (I think?) that stedding were much more rare in Seanchan, and the Ogier there somehow adjusted to leaving them ...
Or maybe that they really have no longing ...
This whole point is a bit efy, and their behavior differs a from typical Ogier one, so it's possible.
But without mention I would assume like you two did - that they simple rotate and use the ability to stay away for a few years at a time.
Just found a pretty cool artist's depiction of a Gardener: link
Looks like it's by Seamas Gallagher, who was an artist on the comics.
I had an Idea that pretty much due to the rarity of stedding in Seachan, the original Ogier who crossed, many of them may have died from the longing before stedding were found, leaving only the bloodlines that were resistant to the longing, and able to stay away for far greater time periods then Ogier who spent most of their lives in the steddings.
Also based on the feat Ogier can take that basically makes them a moving stedding, I sort of felt like a Gardener may never need to go back or only every 10 years or so.
Just found a pretty cool artist's depiction of a Gardener: link
Looks like it's by Seamas Gallagher, who was an artist on the comics.
The first thing that crossed my mind? 'This is what happens if a sumo wrestler becomes a samurai somehow'.
I had an Idea that pretty much due to the rarity of stedding in Seachan, the original Ogier who crossed, many of them may have died from the longing before stedding were found, leaving only the bloodlines that were resistant to the longing, and able to stay away for far greater time periods then Ogier who spent most of their lives in the steddings.
Also based on the feat Ogier can take that basically makes them a moving stedding, I sort of felt like a Gardener may never need to go back or only every 10 years or so.
There were probably Ogier there to begin with, aside from those crossing. I actually doubt that Hawkwing's army originally came with Ogiers. After the breaking they might have found themselves short of steddings, and thus led to what you said, only giving them thrice the time for "breeding out" those who suffered the longing.
Zira, this path won't result in harm to you at all. I'm trying to write a way for Chen to "throw his lot in" with the party.
This revelation was how I originally planned it when I created this character.
In the books Toun did cope with the knowledge that Suldam are capable of channeling, took her time but she did.
You can choose her answer, even if you fail, or another one. Or you can forgo the whole thing, but I am curious how Chen will react to this.
I understand
But its not gonna happen willingly. From my point of view:
Please give us X - okay....
Sorry, not enough, now we want Y too - really? Sigh... okay
Now we have X and Y, might as well give us Z too - no deal
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The test? It's not part of the deal, neither I nor any of the of our side demand it, it's Chen. Also, Litheene did not go back on her deal. Others were not part of it.
The test is because Rhoekk brought up the issue, and since Litheene considers it one of the core wrongs of Seanchan culture, it was expected for her to pick it up. I didn't expect Chen to demand it, I (IC) was planning to preach it to Zira in privet to weaken her resolve for Seanchan.
From Zira's IC perspective, (assuming she doesn't know about this), it should be ridiculous to think she'll fail, so no real concession.
Yeah. Poor Zira is in an awful spot. There wasn't much I could do to help you out and remain in character either. Though I will say, from Fia's point of view it was always 'give us x, y, & z'... all three from the very beginning.
Which is not to say that was seen from Zira's position, particularly when negotiating with so many 'chiefs' and factions. Anyway, break's over, back to work!
I totally get that. And I enjoy your character's strong stance and your ability to keep a firm line between IC and OOC.
For Chen however, your point of view no longer matters, this is and existential question that must be answered. The core of Chen's Id (or was it ego? It's been awhile since psych class) depends on the answer to this question.
Otherwise, the Blood and the Empress have lied to him and over the course of his nearly 200 years he would have been responsible for personally killing hundreds of innocent girls.
Chen was killing marathdamane? Why?
Most Damane belong to the empress, whom the gardener's serve. And when you have lots of pets, some need to be put down.
Also, it(The Test) would truly victimize(the damane) and mark morally wrong, the methods of brainwashing used on the damane. And since there is infighting among the Seachan(from what I can tell from the books, it has not always been a super peaceful place) during which he would have possibly killed opposing force's damane, who are the victims here.
Most Damane belong to the empress, whom the gardener's serve. And when you have lots of pets, some need to be put down.
Also, it(The Test) would truly victimize(the damane) and mark morally wrong, the methods of brainwashing used on the damane. And since there is infighting among the Seachan(from what I can tell from the books, it has not always been a super peaceful place) during which he would have possibly killed opposing force's damane, who are the victims here.
From what I got, Seanchan try very hard to take Damane alive, and go to extreme length to keep them alive afterwards. If they were enemy soldiers, they are not totally @innocent@ from your perspective.
Wow, Zira, what to do what to do. I will be possibly having a breakdown IC shortly, but for now, a super angry response to that!
What did u expect her to do? Roll over and be submissive? ;)
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Also. As a person. Good luck trying to put a collar around my neck...
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OOHHH SNAP!
I am physically excited right now! Good stuff everybody. This is what I play for!
Damn, that was a sweet exchange. I literally got chills reading that. Like literally literal, and not just figuratively literal. Zira's last line fell into place there like a well honed movie script. Beautiful.
Much appreciative =^^=
Trying to make up for my lack of posting the last two weeks.
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Yep, awesome RP from both of you here. I got really excited as well.
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my face when i read zira's dismissal of Chen.
i remember reading somewhere that there are more steddings in the seanchan lands, thus allowing the ogier there to not succumb to the longing. this was more prolific during the Breaking, where those in the westlands found fewer and fewer steddings to retreat to.
Holy crap, our GM is Gimli, son of Gloin! That is one epic beard!
thanks.
i stopped shaving when i was elected alderman last year. now i am stuck with it cuz everyone recognizes the beard.
Maybe you are right and I mixed it up, thus they wouldn't have had the longing to begin with.
Those two short messages between them evoked more in me than a few messages in a long while, great stuff.
P.S. Is that your actual pic?
P.S. LFMAO at Rhoekk's comment.
Gnight peoples. Over stayed my awake time to finish up this scene :P its 00:16 now...
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Night Zira! Good Work!
Good night. It's 23:21 here still, but I'll be at my limit soon, heavy posting today.
yes, i took that just now.
And litheene, your over in the middle east medditeranean area right?
Alright guys, i showed you my face, well most of it. Lets see how the rest of you look. No pressure if you dont want to show it. I will admit i have had a burning curiosity to see what everyone lokks like for a few years now....
Was, I lived in Israel originally (before that in Russia), now I live in the UK. Moved to London about a year and a half ago.
Awesome beard!
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There we go, I fixed it: Rizzengimli
I was considering sharing personal info before, but didn't want to pressure anyone.
I will start with a rather simple fact, which I have no idea how common:
I am male OOC.
As for a picture, I will use my favorite pic, which will introduce me OOC in general if you choose to Google it (Ernest):
Nice to meet you
Rizzen, since I will eventually talk to Amorial and probably others, about the Gardeners and their ways, can I pretty much write the culture and history, since they are probably the least explored group of people in the books?
(So long as it is keeping in the fashion and tradition of the world of WoT)
go for it.
this is what ive found so far on the ter'angreal that you guys came across. i know there is more, but i have to find it.
found it in the taint mirror world
Turtle Male +4 sa'angreal Kodo
Clear Orb Make Saidin/Saidar visible to all Fia
Belt +4 sa'angreal Alathea / Fia
Bracers +6 Bracers Rhoekk
Gray Amulet +4 Natural armor Kodo
WhiteAmulet +2 Con, immune fatigue & endurance Fia ?
Rod Create mini stedding Alathea
Twisted Ring #1 Tel'aran'Rhiod Rhoekk
Twisted Ring #2 Tel'aran'Rhiod Fia / Matt
Twisted Ring #3 Tel'aran'Rhiod Kodo
Twisted Ring #4 Tel'aran'Rhiod Alathea
Ring of Command Command shadowspawn, dc 15 ??
Ring Well Store up to +3 levels of weaves (Alathea's experiments)
Ring: Surprise Allows anyone to channel the Ring Well (Alathea)
hmmmmmm....yes, yes i can work with that. some mild tweaking to the arc here and there...yes yes yes!!
and ryvin has an idea....ooo this'll play out nicely in the weeks to come.
my reference point
And then he does this ^ and somehow it is more terrifying than all the machination and evil chucklings combined.
hey, you spend a year playing a campaign with a GM who is an Army Interrogator with a masters in psychology, you are bound to pick up a few things.
I must also add, that is an extraordinarily awesome beard. I have recently left the bearded brotherhood, and now feel somewhat unmanly even in your online presence.
I seem to remember we did the intro and such a few years back, but then as we were just recently discussing, very few of the original crew are around anymore...
Here's a pic of me from last summer. Also bereft of any epic facial topography. I think this one was an accidental selfy, as it was sunny and I couldn't make out the screen. I was actually out sailing in a viking longboat here, though it was admittedly a small one. I was on a vacation in Denmark and went out to a viking seafaring museum. This and some other aspects were a lot of fun. History is a major interest for me.
I'm Canadian, and live in the western Canada; far from anyone who has anything like what American's generally consider a Canadian accent (that's actually more of a rural Ontario accent than anything you'll here elsewhere in the country). I'm a therapist that consults to psychiatric units; specializing in that subset of treatment called Dual Diagnosis or Concurrent Disorders: mentally ill folk who also happen to have substance abuse/addiction issues. If you want the real dirt on what drugs do what the brain (or psyche) feel free to ask.
Other than that, mid thirties, married, kids, a dog, two cats...
I must also add, that is an extraordinarily awesome beard. I have recently left the bearded brotherhood, and now feel somewhat unmanly even in your online presence.
It is pretty awesome. And the best thing about redheads is that as you get older, it will probably go white as opposed to grey, and will go on being just as epic as it will the the sweetest wizard beard ever!
Fia, are you planning to just sleep, or are you hitting Tel'aran'rhiod?
As tempting as Tel'aran'rhiod would be... Fia nearly burned herself out however many days ago and has been running constant every second since. Exhausted is an understatement. She is definitely just sleeping atm.
Plus, I have been playing her for over a year in real world time without access to the one power. Granted, some of that was break time, but I want it back lol!
That said, I do want to get to the dream world at some point soon.