It doesn't detect the evil auras of those 4HD or less, unless they are an undead, an outsider, a cleric, or an antipaladin.
Sorry was not clear, yep as LF2 says 4HD or less nothing etc.
I recognize this is a common interpretation, but I believe it to be a misreading, and play it as such in my games. The spell states it shows:
1st Round: Presence or absence of evil.
Not evil auras, etc., just evil. Are you evil? Yes? Ping!
Now, the spell also allows for the detection of Evil Auras, which can provide an indication of how powerful the evil is. An evil creature that does not generate an evil aura would show up as exactly that; evil, but not powerful enough to register as even a faint aura, therefore still providing some information.I am sure there are plenty of folk who will disagree with my interpretation, but this seems obvious to me. What would the point of a first level spell or ability be if it cannot be used until you start encountering 4th and 5th level threats. I think the interpretation came out of lazy GMing, by folk who wanted to stop lazy players from spamming their Detect abilities, but couldn't think of a good way to do so. Besides, it only delays the issue a few levels instead of actually doing anything about it.
How it gets played is up to the GM of course, and when I play in someone else's games, obviously I play by their rules.
Not trolling with this opinion, just my 2 cents.
That is indeed one interpretation.
That is indeed one interpretation.
It is, isn't it? I find myself wholly in agreement with your assessment.
I rather like this interpretation, makes sense too.
The logic holds up much better I think than the alternative: Here's a first level ability core to your class. You won't be able to use it until around level 4, except maybe once per game on the BBEG, who you probably have counted on being evil anyway, so even when you can use it, you probably wont waste the Move Action (for a Paladin).
I agree with Froth. Also, I wonder where our DM is, its been a couple days, yeah? Hope everything's ok, I know the snow and general weather has been terrible where I am.
There's hail where I'm at.
Hello my evil children. I appreciate everyone keeping the tone civil while banging out specifics of game styles and rules interpretations.
As for m and FYI, the weekend is usually a slow posting time for me as I usually spend time with friends and family and have my tabletop game.
That being said I will take some notes and type out an update here tonight.
I'm liking the RP so far. And all of you checking people's stuff and what not is good so long as its all friendly.
EDIT: *Clears 50-CAL chamber* Yeah its a nice 12 degrees F here.
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Concerning intimidate, Pain clearly stated it was the influence option while Mordren did not state which option she intended (unless I missed it). It's not a catch all skill like say perception. If your using the demoralize option, you sort of have to say so or it's up in the air for interpretation. That being said, you would treat Rileng as an enemy when you did it, sense it does not effect allies. Be sure that's what you want as it does have a mechanical effect unlike say threatening someone.
In case anyone is wondering I am waiting on the DM, that spoiler was not empty. So much or all of this could be moot one way or another. Which is why I have not posted. ;)
My weather has been sunny most of the day. Getting a little raining and overcast now. Guess you guys are up north.
Edit- ::Falls over:: I just got DM sniped! ::raises shaky fist:: Avenge Me! XD
Bad BigP4nda bad. no supper for you tonight.
Also me and LF2 are both slightly dyslexic so we look out for each other.
We may seem to be having a go at each other at times, but we are mates and have been on here a long old while. :) freandly banter it is
Sorry why I was thinking 20 Int I have no idea, but yes make the new human race, Advanced would give you Int+4 Wis -2 Str/dex/con +2 before point buy.
You could go with fast healing 1
Fay Resistance DR5/silver and link that to your trait, silver weapons.
A feat or Elf weapon prof etc would help.
PS
Looking into items that mask her aliment that re Psionic but they all seem to need very high level powers
@Froth I think that is a very good interpretation and brings back the use of the spell at lower levels. Works for me.
@Rileng
I will be more clear with my use, as I usually will not use the influence option unless its an NPC and all other methods have failed, but i will outline my full intent from now on, for sure.
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I'm immensely enjoying reading all the evil peer pressure Rileng is experiencing. "Come on all the cool evil people are doing it"
I'm not too psycho am I? :)
I like to think that she is emotionally unbalanced, rather than plain psychotic. She'll have her moments of chaotic troublemaking then there'll be the moments where she's almost scary how calm and collected she can be under the right circumstances. In her case, when she's anticipating a kill, or in her special case, a night of hedonistic revelry then a kill. :3
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I'm immensely enjoying reading all the evil peer pressure Rileng is experiencing. "Come on all the cool evil people are doing it"
*Evil grin*
I hope her Ladyship is NOT coming over scary she is meant to be nice and charming. Not a fan of PVP stuff, always ends up badly but that can also be missuses when a player meta games knowing the big scarry PC will not slap his/her PC because of a house rule band on PvP.
As A GM a say no BUT! if you go deliberately and constituently upset the wooki, he will pull your arms off. Because that's what Wooki's do.
Soooo any chance of a game play post form anyone
"Bueller?... Bueller?"
I myself would prefer to wait until after our DM reacts to everything that has happened so far, though talking with the Lady in my head has been a rather pleasant experience, so far.
Right now my guy is at significantly less than full strength, because he lacks his robot bodyguard.
Peer Pressure, herd mentality, it's all really the same thing. Like any snake he is cold blooded, when he is dealing, when he is killing, and when he is having pawns dance in his hand. Gain without loss, he is getting plenty so he is peachy. Until he is not and no he will not make the wookie sound when that goes down. ;P
@LZZ
She does not come off as scary, more like hiding a lot of stuff. As well as a little unhinged. Anyone who is in that state of affairs and acts like that can't have all her marbles. Or is arrogant to the point of rejecting reality until it slaps them in the face. Not sure which at this time.
Personally I am wondering which way the DM will go. Got both roads covered, unless a random third pops up.
Canabalism leads to prion disease (not sure I'm spelling that right) but in cows it's called mad cow disease...
Just an FYI, super serious, human proteins are toxic to other humans
No idea about part humans and humanoids though.
Good thing Sir Froth isn't human. xD
Pretty close, cows can get prion disease from horses *shrug*
Hey if you want to run your grey matter, that's your prerogative.
Cannibalism only leads to prion diseases in cases where the cannibal eats nerve tissue, like the brain or spine. As well, I don't know that it has been shown to affect humans universally either. As far as I know, abnormal prions have to be present in the nerve tissue you eat first in order to cause abnormal prions within the cannibal. If the subject was healthy, chances of them having abnormal prions to eat is extremely unlikely. Prion diseases typically affect cultures that practice funerary cannibalism (eating the bodies of your loved ones to keep their strength and spirit in the clan) that includes nerve tissue.
You want the serious reason or the flippant one? ;)
Real reason isn't that exciting; I took anthro in University as for a while I planned to be an Archaeologist. Ended up a therapist instead, but I've always enjoyed interesting cultural tid-bits. I still read a lot on such topics, and I'm the type who rarely forgets anything once I've read it...
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No any nerve or brain tissue
Greater risk if you consume it from the spine or brain, simply due to higher concentration of the stuff
And yes funerary consumption is where you typically see It for a number of reasons
1) because there are more of them, so it's easier to notice, historically speaking
2) because you basically eat all of them
Edit: ha, small world, I'm at lee university, and I'm getting schooling to get a psych degree too, I learned this stuff in an organic chemistry class.
@Sulfach
Good then she has your PC thinking just what she wants him to think.
She is complicated yet very simple, She is an Aristocrat and arrogant is all part of acting the class but. That dos not mean she is arrogant hehe.
What you should be asking is why is she here at all, and why is she NOT acting all high and mighty?
Pain, your Kn(Arcane) check doesn't reaveal anything of that level or lower.
Infernal human looks fine.
In fact it looks quite modest. I like the concept.
Aliases are working now :D
@LZZ
You presume that he thinks what I have stated. See your wrong already. ;P
No any nerve or brain tissue
Greater risk if you consume it from the spine or brain, simply due to higher concentration of the stuff
And yes funerary consumption is where you typically see It for a number of reasons
1) because there are more of them, so it's easier to notice, historically speaking
2) because you basically eat all of them
Edit: ha, small world, I'm at lee university, and I'm getting schooling to get a psych degree too, I learned this stuff in an organic chemistry class.
Can you cite a source for your perspective? When I'm wrong about something I like to find out the proper details, asap. I never shy away from a potential learning experience. And since I don't know you well enough to know the difference between someone who genuinely knows his stuff, and a typical Internet know-it-all, sources help to differentiate the two!
My understanding of Prion diseases (Transmissable Spongiform Encephalopathy) is that they can (generally) only be acquired by eating the nerve tissue of an infected subject. For some reason, the misfolded proteins (prions) that cause the disease are not screened out, but rather cause heathy proteins to begin misfolding in the same manner as the prions through some as of yet unknown mechanism. It is theorized that it may possible to come down with the illness spontaneously as well (since someone had to be first).
The idea that it is somehow caused by cannibalism, is as far as I know, a Hollywoodization of the issue, popularized on crime dramas and similar pulp shows, but like most movie/TV science it has little or no basis in real science.
If you have information that suggests otherwise, I'd love to see it. I think I've corrected people on this topic before, so it turns out I was wrong all along, I'd have to stop doing that.
@LZZ
You presume that he thinks what I have stated. See your wrong already. ;P
@RF, Really?
This was just you trying to get a rise out of me. Yikes!I kind of expected more. O well, nice try, better luck next time. ;0)
Not at all, just poking fun. It's funny because it's a self fulfilling loop. "He is thinking what I want him to think", what could be more arrogant. Yet arrogant is the perception your supposedly giving off as a cover. Sort of like one of those time conundrums, goes round and round in on itself. ;)
if you say so, :]
Also that was under privet spoiler from me to you.
If you do not wish to spoiler for privet chats then PMs if you could please. ;o}
No primary sources, just what I remember from class last semester.
It is possible I'm wrong, but there are nerves all through out the body
The inner thigh where you were eating has quite a few if I recall correctly.
The possibility of being mistaken always gets me going, so I spent a good deal of time Googling the issue last night. I found numerous references suggesting that Prion diseases could be passed on by eating the nerve tissue of infected hosts, and some indicated it might be possible to contract it from eating any part of an infected host, though far less likely (one stat said that among the Papua New Guineans who had Kuru, the women and children, who were often given the less choice bits of their ancestor, such as the spine and brain, while the men ate the meat, were 8 times as likely to contract Kuru as the men). Though many of the sources also indicated there were other risks in cannibalism, mostly in that you were exposing yourself to any other diseases the body might be carrying (regular, non-prion diseases), which you were more likely to contract than food from prey animals, as bacteria and viruses found in a human body will have been specifically adapted to infecting a human, whereas pathogens in a non-related prey animal would have to be able to jump species to be able to effect you (though occasionally some do, such as bird or swine flu, and some suspect that HIV may have originated from eating monkeys, and Ebola may come from eating or contact with bats).
I could not find a single source however that indicated a human eating a non-prion carrying human was at any risk of developing a prion disease.
I'll have to ask a few of my buddies at the hospital where I work. One is a Neuro-scientist, and the other is a Radiologist (technically a Neuro-Radiological Interventionist - he extracts clots from people's brains). As long as I can bring up the matter without making them wonder why I am exploring the health implications of cannibalism, one of them will probably be able to spell it out for me, as both are brain experts. Of course, once they understand that it is to win a disagreement on the internet, I'm sure they'll understand the scope and importance of the question. ;)
All of this notwithstanding, the first Prion disease ever described was Kuru, a form of TSE endemic to the highland regions of Papua New Guinea, also known as 'The Shaking Death.' It was first documented in 1953, and Prions were not even theorized as a cause until 1982. The existence of Prions as an infectious agent was not confirmed until around 2006. All of this goes to suggest that besides the natural squick factor, no one in a fantasy setting is likely to have had any idea of the overall potential health implications of cannibalism. After all, we are talking about a time when many scholars still thought that the heart was the seat of thought and emotion, and the brain was most likely used to cool the blood (such as Aristotle, and anyone who followed in his tradition, which was most, up until the Age of Enlightenment).
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@froth: cool.
My character though is a former doctor from numeria
He has seen what radiation does to a body, he has seen a number of other things too, and frequently disected humans and humanoids, he almost certianly not know what a prion was, but with a 20 int, and maxed out knowledge nature (what he uses for heal checks) it stands to reason that he may have noticed health risks of eating humans.
He however doesn't think he knows enough, which is why he asked if he could do a post mortum biopsy.
Does your character do any checking of symptoms before chowing down?
Would he know what to look for?
@BigPanda: set your character as your default alias
I can't do that because I'm in several games, but you could.
@LFII: Of course! He runs a full chem panel, tox-screen, CBC w/blood gasses, and has a culture done on blood samples and swabs from every orifice. Didn't you notice that part?
How often does disease come up in RPG, really? Besides that, he is not the same species as the one he was eating, nor is he even the same creature type (Humanoid). It is no more cannibalism to him than eating something non-sentient would be. Civilized types get all high and mighty about not eating things that can talk, but he doesn't care much about that...
it stands to reason that he may have noticed health risks of eating humans.
Who would his subject pool have been? Who would he have observed practicing cannibalism, over time, and even if those people did get sick, how would he have determined their diet to be the cause? That's getting into some pretty specific longitudinal study territory, with major control group problems, not to mention confounding factors, all while working from a very limited knowledge base due to the tech-level of the setting. Add to that that Prion diseases can have an incubation period of up to 50 years, and his having had observations on the matter gets pretty far fetched...
Edit:
One funny part about this is that when Virgil is done with his PrC he will be immune to poison and disease and could chow down on human flesh all he wanted
If you like, I'm sure Froth would share a few recipes with you...
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Ok I had arguments for each of the other things (his country being more technologically advanced, him being just rediculously smart, the prevance of magical aids such as diagnose disease & detect poison in the setting etc)
But I didn't know about prion disease's large incubation period, and don't an argument
Though there are other health risks in eating people espically raw ones
Edit: what recipes? You eat things raw.
Ya, they said a lot of the trouble with connecting Kuru to cannibalism was that people were still getting sick decades after the practice had been outlawed around 1963. That meant that for a long time, the cannibalism that had taken place years in the past wasn't even considered as a potential cause.
Numaria is more advanced, and magic is a big help, but I think there are significant limits to what one person can manage.
As for recipes... he doesn't eat everyone raw, it just worked out that way this time. Usually he'd probably like a little bit of cooking, maybe just a little blackened on the outside, as long as it was still nice and rare in the middle. However, recipes don't always just have to involve cooking, there are myriad ways to prepare raw meats with spices and marinades as well! The right mix of spices can make all the difference...