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Did your 20 possibly hit easier because the thing is wearing metal? Just want to make sure we take that into account (when trying to deduce its AC) since you should be the only one who gets that bonus...
Gunari - I mentioned that I was going to retcon the things that I purchased before we left, but I never did. Would be cheating now if I said I grabbed some of those, though this fight is teaching me a valuable lesson about preparedness.... I used to loath expendable items because it felt like a waste of gold. No longer... especially in tough fights like this, if we are going to be playing up more often.
side note: I love this fight for its challenge... I am honestly worried about how we are going to pull this off, which makes it exciting, terrifying, and fun...
Another question brought up by Gunari, how do I aid another to give him an AC bonus? (what check do I make?) Since I was successful with my feint, it would be silly not to attempt to hit him, and hope that the sneak attack damage is enough to overcome his DR by a significant enough amount. Next round I can definitely aid another, since he is so focused on Gunari.
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The +3 to hit was factored in my attack roll, the resulting roll of 20 hit. We could also attack defensively, not sure if that stacks with Shield though. Lots of interesting choices here, but methinks a barrel of monkeys is on its way to aid us.
Aid Another
In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend by distracting or interfering with an opponent. If you're in position to make a melee attack on an opponent that is engaging a friend in melee combat, you can attempt to aid your friend as a standard action. You make an attack roll against AC 10. If you succeed, your friend gains either a +2 bonus on his next attack roll against that opponent or a +2 bonus to AC against that opponent's next attack (your choice), as long as that attack comes before the beginning of your next turn. Multiple characters can aid the same friend, and similar bonuses stack.
You can also use this standard action to help a friend in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to assist another character's skill check.
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Another question brought up by Gunari, how do I aid another to give him an AC bonus? (what check do I make?) Since I was successful with my feint, it would be silly not to attempt to hit him, and hope that the sneak attack damage is enough to overcome his DR by a significant enough amount. Next round I can definitely aid another, since he is so focused on Gunari.
[b]Aid Another[b]
In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend by distracting or interfering with an opponent. If you're in position to make a melee attack on an opponent that is engaging a friend in melee combat, you can attempt to aid your friend as a standard action. You make an attack roll against AC 10. If you succeed, your friend gains either a +2 bonus on his next attack roll against that opponent or a +2 bonus to AC against that opponent's next attack (your choice), as long as that attack comes before the beginning of your next turn. Multiple characters can aid the same friend, and similar bonuses stack.
You can also use this standard action to help a friend in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to assist another character's skill check.
I would agree, assuming it is vulnerable to sneak attacks (which I cannot imagine it is not, you should use your sneak. Then we'll have to hope whomever I bless will hit, so as to keep your damage around.
Maybe this would be the best use of Karshaiga's attacks?
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I can vanish on my own actually... I didn't realize that automatically gives you sneak attack when you come out... So much for learning your own abilities right? :)
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Love that you are so worried about this fight that the discussion thread is getting more action than gameplay! It's definitely a tricky one. Welcome to sub tier 4-5. So weird that you're allowed to play this, but not a 3-4.
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@Finarin, if you were to move to location C4 instead of D4, I think would give Ibid clear shot at this enemy once he steps forward 5-feet and then full round attacks.
What does everyone think? Any other tactical thoughts? I don't want the fact that I'm shooting through our team to give him soft cover and cause Ibid to miss.
For my part, if my roll is close to 20 and within (approx. 3) I'll burn two uses of inspiration to try and bump the attack roll up to at least a 20.
Happy for you to roll as though Finarin has done so.
"Make it so" and talking with... pauses like... Shatner: dude you must love the Trek!
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I've noticed that you can tell when the fight is challenging, when people start desperately browsing their chronicles if they would have a boon that would turn the tide of battle.
But I like that we actually have to think and plan now. Most fights we have just swept through. Although I think we are partly saved by the fact the enemy concentrates on Gunari who is our highest level character and has a very good AC. Things would have gone very differently if the Asura had a thing for arcane spell casters...
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I've noticed that you can tell when the fight is challenging, when people start desperately browsing their chronicles if they would have a boon that would turn the tide of battle.
But I like that we actually have to think and plan now. Most fights we have just swept through. Although I think we are partly saved by the fact the enemy concentrates on Gunari who is our highest level character and has a very good AC. Things would have gone very differently if the Asura had a thing for arcane spell casters...
I agree 100%! This fight is very interesting and has me on the edge of my seat. I love the added challenge and tactics required. I will do better for the group and be better prepared for the next scenario.
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It is pretty clear that for now my best role in this fight will be support. Next round, I will hit Gunari with my CLW wand, and I can cast vanish on Cyrus the following if we do some repositioning as it has a range of touch. If anyone else needs or has a suggestion for me fire away.
Nice work guys with some impressive damage.
Impressive indeed! I'm enjoying this fight - mostly because it doesn't seem to be able to do so much in a single hit to kill one of you outright. I can kinda let loose a little (unlike with the leucrotta - not that I didn't do my darnedest to kill the baron!).
I've struggled a bit with the regeneration rules, too. They've changed a bit since last I recall using them. It appears good only negates it for a single round (ie. good damage does not equal permanent damage). This will make something that may happen potentially (maybe) quite the bitçh for the PCs. We'll see how much damage you continue to do, though. Well done!
So sad that Amaranti has to go to bed soon... I'll try to post as soon as Miro does so he gets another round in.
By the way, I was meaning to mention (since it was brought up) that the BBEG's tactics say that it goes for any spellcasters in tier 1-2 (it's a different creature) and for divine casters in tier 4-5 (fits well with an asura's world view). It's your extreme good fortune that Gunari isn't an oracle (or even straight cleric). Also very good fortune that he's good at his build and knows how to tank! ;-)
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Just copy-paste from the regeneration rule:
Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, cause a creature's regeneration to stop functioning on the round following the attack. During this round, the creature does not heal any damage and can die normally.
So since the Asura took good damage from Ibid, it shouldn't heal Cyrus' damage either, right?
And it's bedtime for me, g'night! (as if I could sleep, too exciting...)
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That is correct. But, in a round where Good damage happens, it can in fact die. Which is all we need.
We just have to do good damage EVERY round until it dies.
And thank you for the compliment, Damien. Trust me, were I playing my Battle Oracle, I would be tanking pretty well (she has Heavy armor as part of a revelation). A cleric would be a little rougher, since they don't get heavy armor... but I might have picked up the feat for it if I was playing a melee cleric (I did it with my inquisitor, after all).
Of course, a full cleric would have See Invisible, which would help, and channels!
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My heal bot Oracle can channel, and currently has a 23 ac, and can cast cure spells without provoking... Oracles are pretty versatile if you build them with a purpose :) I think Thistle would do alright in this fight. (would link, but phone....)
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My heal bot Oracle can channel, and currently has a 23 ac, and can cast cure spells without provoking... Oracles are pretty versatile if you build them with a purpose :) I think Thistle would do alright in this fight.
Fixed it for you!
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Just copy-paste from the regeneration rule:
Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, cause a creature's regeneration to stop functioning on the round following the attack. During this round, the creature does not heal any damage and can die normally.So since the Asura took good damage from Ibid, it shouldn't heal Cyrus' damage either, right?
Really? This might dramatically change my strategy. So next round, provided that either Gunari or Ibid hit, then any damage it takes isn't regenerated that round.
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I have to agree that I love the challenge... as long as it isn't TOO insane! I think we've probably got this one covered, luckily. However, I don't know what we'd do if we didn't have Gunari's War Priest blessings... I don't think a CLW would have worked to deal damage to the Asura. Holy Water, that might have worked, but it would have been an insanely difficult battle without the ability to bypass DR and turn off regeneration. shudder
One wonders if our Friendly Online GM knew this when he agreed we should do the high tier (as I recall, we had some leeway?)
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Really? This might dramatically change my strategy. So next round, provided that either Gunari or Ibid hit, then any damage it takes isn't regenerated that round.
On any round that we deal "Good" damage, it will not regenerate. Finarin, do you have any holy water? How is it that Gunari doesn't have holy water (and by that, I do not mean beer!)
One wonders if our Friendly Online GM knew this when he agreed we should do the high tier (as I recall, we had some leeway?)
If you didn't have this, I wouldn't have used blink. Full stop. It is not mandated by the tactics, though it is an awesome tactic. As it happens, I was beginning to wonder what was going on with the delay on good-buffs, which is why I rolled the knowledge (planes) on Ibid's behalf.
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On any round that we deal "Good" damage, it will not regenerate. Finarin, do you have any holy water? How is it that Gunari doesn't have holy water (and by that, I do not mean beer!)
Yeah - no and I am not sure why. If we keep hitting it, I can add in 2d6+4 damage per round as long as I can 5-foot step, hit AC 20ish, and make the 50% blink. Guess that is a lot of ifs
Wand of what on who? And yes, that movement provokes.
Prerequisites: Weapon Focus with deity’s favored weapon, must worship and receive spells from a deity.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can call upon your deity to guide an attack you make with your deity’s favored weapon. On your next attack in that round with that weapon, your weapon counts as magical for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction or striking an incorporeal creature. If your attack misses because of concealment, you can reroll your miss chance one time to see whether you actually hit.
It is not a concealment effect. There is 20% concealment in effect (as stated in the blink spell) from the thing blinking in and out of visibility. This comes into play when hitting with a weapon capable of hitting ethereal targets. The main part of blink that the creature just isn't physically there 50% of the time. However, your first miss chance succeeded, so no issue this time around. I'm ruling, however, that you won't get to reroll the miss chance on future attacks. Just roll the single one for your attack (even though you're rolling twice on the attack).
Also, JJ's post was more about concealment not stacking than about blink being concealment.
We can discuss this further if you like, though! Always happy to change my mind.
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Seriously, I'd like to redo this encounter when we are all level 4 and see how differently it'd go.
Cyrus - I am exactly where I want to be for next round. I can cast Vanish on you, move back to heal Gunari, or 5-foot step for a Spell Strike/Spell Combat double attack.
No worries Ibid, we still have Amaranti who can hit big, and K who can aid Gunari once again. The dice are fickle creatures :(
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I have to agree that I love the challenge... as long as it isn't TOO insane! I think we've probably got this one covered, luckily. However, I don't know what we'd do if we didn't have Gunari's War Priest blessings...
It would have gone much worse.... When this fight is over, and we've won, we'll all raise a glass and drink to Cayden Cailean. And I mean we'll do that in real life :)
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Ok, we all know cure light works on undead... but is it technically a good spell? if so, would it work on this thing if it is allergic to good?
Finarin... I can get sneak attack damage in my ranged attacks as long as they are within 30 feet, and I meet the conditions (ie coming out of vanish)
We just need a way to do Good damage the same round I hit... if I hit...
I have a crossbow as well, that is about all I can do in this circumstance...
Wait a minute... Idea forming...
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Never mind, the idea won't work. I was thinking I could use acrobatics to leap UP into the air, putting myself in a position to make an attack roll, but the best I could get is a 51 (roll of 20, +20 for ninja trick, +11 for skill) which would allow me to leap 12 feet 9 inches into the air. Add in that I am probably about 6 foot at best, giving me 18 feet 9 inches off the ground...
well... Maybe it might work. Would obvious take the DM's ruling. I can't find anything about a leaping attack... And would probably require my weapon being good, unless we have another way of doing good damage this round.
And of course a stupid amount of luck to pull it off, and actually hit...
Edit: Or we could just shoot it. We have someone in this group with a bow right? :)