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Player(Forum) Name For sheet: Purple Dragon Knight
Character Name: Vina Sitha
PFS Number: 4456-11
Faction: Grand Lodge
Day Job Roll: n/a

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Player(Forum) Name For sheet: Quinn Shannon
Character Name: Ayla
PFS Number: 146613-24
Faction: Liberty's Edge
Day Job Roll: n/a
I'm trying out two different builds to see which one I like better! We'll start with the Swashbuckling Variety!

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Player(Forum) Name For sheet: supervillan
Character Name: Janus Grey
PFS Number: 75577-10
Faction: Dark Archive
Day Job Roll: n/a

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Player(Forum) Name For sheet: Nefreet
Character Name: Eliphaz
PFS Number: 66548-27
Faction: Silver Crusade
Profession(carpenter): 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (18) + 9 = 27

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Fun Story! Apparently Brawler is able to suit exactly the needs that I have, so no need to test builds! Character Information will be up in the next few minutes!

GM Livgin |

Vina, I like your concept but want to go over a few mechanics.
You are a medium creature 'riding' a medium 'mount'. Normally this only possible with the undersized mount feat. Do you think the Tree Hanger feat is an appropriate work around to that?
Do you intend to use the ride rules for other interactions the come from this? The feat has no commentary on this, but the feat speaks only on hanging from objects.
If you provide guidance on how to handle the rules interactions here, I'll try to use your reasonable interpretations.

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I've used the feat to just hang off him because he technically has branches. I don't use Ride and anything else such as attacks will be handled normally via Handle Animal. It's mostly for flavor and to save space on the map, and it's a pretty rotten feat otherwise so if you don't like it I can re-spec to another more useful feat. My GM for Wounded Wisp allowed it and thought it was cool.

GM Livgin |

Ok, we will run it entirely by ear, answering questions as they come up.
No harm will come of running with it this game but there are several questions to be answered if you are planning to stick with that concept. I'd be happy to go through them with you as we go, so that you have answers and recommendations for all future GMs.

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I've asked Hmm for a ruling; if it's a no-go I'll re-spec to something else.

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I think it's a pretty clever and flavorful use of the feat! Strictly speaking though, I don't think it would apply.
The feat specifically mentions 'If you leave that square (including if you are moved against your will), you lose your grip on the object and are no longer hanging.' so, while I do think it is pretty cool, you would basically be falling off of your tree every time that it moved.

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Semi-related issue, but hopefully not too tricky in practice. Janus Too (the familiar) is Small sized. Janus will normally carry him around outside of combat, on account of the familiar having a paltry 10' land speed. I don't think of that as anything like riding. A dwarf caiman irl is about 4 feet long and weighs around 14lbs, so its weight is a non-issue for Janus. Obviously it's physically possible for Vina to hang off a branch, and it's physically possible for a very strong human to carry a 14lb crocodile under his arm (I've got a cat about that weight, though I don't carry him around much and I'm not terribly strong). But creatures aren't supposed to be able to share squares unless they are either 2 or more size categories apart or they are mount and rider.
I think this is a case of letting good sense govern play, without needing a special rule.

GM Livgin |

Janus, Most things out of combat get the hand wave, it is the life and death edge of combat that will get the second look. All the grid mechanics are built around the assumption of combat, they are nearly irrelevant outside combat.
I assume he hops down at the start of combat?
Downside of the system that the dwarf caiman and a great dane are mechanically the same size.

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Yup. The croc will absolutely hop down at the start of any combat if he's not already on the ground.
Btw, do you want to run separate initiatives for pets, or use their master's?
And yeah, the caiman is kind of like grippli when it comes to the size categories.

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Player: Aldizog
Character: Mohag the Wanderer
PFS Number: 108731-9
Faction: Grand Lodge
Day Job: Profession (Guide): 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (13) + 7 = 20
Nothing too mechanically odd about him. Will use the Inspired trait and/or Inexplicable Luck if there is a skill check that just has to be made (once per day for each option). And will use Bit of Luck on other PCs.

GM Hmm |
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I've asked Hmm for a ruling; if it's a no-go I'll re-spec to something else.
This is most definitely something that falls into the area of GM table variation.
Although I think that this is a cute idea, I see several problems with it:
- As Korolan notes, by the wording of the feat, you’ll fall off the tree everytime it moves.
- As DM Livgin notes, you are a medium creature essentially riding a medium creature.
- There are also encumbrance issues from your little sapling trying to carry you. Unless you are hitting it with ant haul all the time, this just does not seem viable.
- There’s also potential combat advantages that can arise from sharing the same square as your companion.
I hesitate to make rulings on Pathfinder grey areas that might affect the whole region of online play. When VC’s make home rules for their region that can cause confusion for their players when they play elsewhere, and lead to inevitable arguments of “but it’s always been done this way!”
So I will only state that if you were the player at my table, I would not allow the sapling version of this tree to carry you from place to place — adorable as this is. However, if you just want to stay in one spot, hanging from your tree without either of you moving, that would be fine. Keep in mind that with the sapling’s strength of 15, it would be encumbered by holding you up.
I’m sorry that I cannot provide more clarity here. Hope that your Vanara has lots of fun climbing other things in Silverhex!
Yours,
Hmm

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Our local Lodge had a Treesinger Druid years ago. He modeled his own trees (because they kept dying, but that's a different story), and he always included a tree swing (a reskinned Exotic Saddle). Once your sapling gets to large size, maybe you could do the same?

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Spells Prepared:
Orisons − Daze (Will DC 15), Guidance, Light
1st Level − Bless, Doom (Will DC 16), Magic Weapon
Wand of Cure Light Wounds stored in a Spring Loaded Wrist Sheath.

GM Hmm |

Our local Lodge had a Treesinger Druid years ago. He modeled his own trees (because they kept dying, but that's a different story), and he always included a tree swing (a reskinned Exotic Saddle). Once your sapling gets to large size, maybe you could do the same?
Adorable!

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Thank you Hmm! I will change my feat as this was just for flavor.
Regards,
GM PDK

GM Livgin |

Take a second to get familiar with the journal. We will head to the mausoleum Friday or when our sixth, Herman Lacosta, arrives.

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Is that the holy symbol of Aroden? On a Samsaran? How interesting. I wonder if he knows that Aroden Reincarnated fellow.
Another PFS character of mine. Would be funny to have them on a mission together.
Hilarious!
I've been wanting to do an Arodenite for a while. I was pounding my head against the wall for a Samsaran theme when it hit me that in a past life he could have actually worshipped Aroden when he was alive.
So I tossed in some research on Azlanti material and voilà!

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Player(Forum) Name For sheet: Twistlok
Character Name: Herman Lacosta
PFS Number: 217154-3
Faction: Silver Crusade
Day Job Roll: Stable Master: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (18) + 6 = 24
Sorry for the delay I did not see the message until now.

GM Livgin |

There is a default marching order in the first slide of the maps. Feel free to change it at any time.

GM Livgin |

percep, Vina: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (14) + 8 = 22
percep, Lakadee: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 1 = 17
percep, Ayla: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 1 = 20
percep, Janus: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (6) + 8 = 14
percep, Janus Too: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (18) + 6 = 24
percep, Eliphaz: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (14) + 12 = 26
percep, Mohag: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (10) + 4 = 14
percep, Herman: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (19) + 6 = 25
To the west, in the direction the tracks go stands a tall alabaster tomb evoking a past age of Galtan architecture, including a ten-foot spire atop a broad dome. Its awnings teem with sculpted white raptors. An iron gate bears the motto, “Last to Fall.”
As you look to the west you catch a glimpse of a platinum haired woman as she ducks back behind a fifteen foot wide mausoleum. On the other side of mausoleum you see a flash of a well groomed tail as a horse hiding behind the mausoleum swats away a fly.

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And that is why, folks, you have a moral obligation to trade out this dreadful class feature if you ever can... my toon is still at 1 xp: any other archetype that would stack with this one? If you know of one please let me know in the discussion thread! :)
Have you seen Flutter? That's a druid that really can cuddle the dungeon to death.

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Great googlie mooglie. A busy day at work and I miss a ton of posts.

GM Livgin |

Quick quiz: Who has played this quest before? Feel free to PM me if you want to keep it private.

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Did not even read the summary.
ditto

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I've neither played nor run it. I read the blurb, and I heard somewhere about the Vessels (probably chatting at a convention).

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Vessels? no idea Janus and I really don't want to know. Next time could you please provide spoiler tags? thank you.

GM Livgin |

Thanks everyone, my greatest fear is having an evergreen table that stalls out because everyone has played it before so does not want to volunteer solutions to a puzzle...