I confess I was thinking something similar. We keep finding fragile artefacts, such as the book at the start.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/ship-combat/spell-effect s-in-naval-combat/ clarifies ships are effected as constructs, and my secondary purpose was in being able to keep a ship afloat (or wagon rolling). 2.25 gp does seem like a lot for that, though.
If Kien's good to move on, so am I.
I'm embarrassed to admit I haven't established a baseline for what spells should be priced at, level by level. I'll take a look at that today and adjust the price accordingly.
As to Make Whole - yeah, fixing ships I'm fine with, but if wizards could really just repair anything, anytime, anywhere, with a few days of spell casting, the world would be much different than I had imagined it. Magic items have a built in limit of 2x item level, but I wanted some condition on mundane items as well, hence the time limit.
If nothing else, maybe Wizards just don't like doing "menial" work that much, and nations are hesitant about pushing them on the matter when they're also mildly concerned about angry wizards mind-controlling people.
One could reasonably assume that a wizard must know what he is reconstructing. For instance, if he were to repair a boat, he must know what it must be like when fully repaired. As such, ancient artifacts would be very difficult to repair since nobody alive knows what they looked like intact, and it would take a good deal of research to discover. Thoughts?
Also another limit is the fact that spellcasters aren't everywhere, and plus their time is valuable so even if the spell is free, their services aren't.
A possible approach. I usually take the stance that wizard's have limited ability to modify/support their spells on the fly beyond simply continuing or ending them. They produce tightly researched effects with known details. Sorcerers and other innate casters have a tad more leeway while casting, but they also can't as easily research new spells. Sort of the science vs art approach to arcane magic.
Luca is definitely on the "art" end of things, as in "she has absolutely no idea of how to perform her art properly". XD
I've always seen Mending, and to a degree Make Whole, as very strong superglue. If a chair or vase is broken, you can superglue it back together, and it is as good as new, but still has a bunch of cracks in it.
Mending doesn't work on warping or missing pieces, Make Whole does. Missing pieces can be filled in with enough superglue (to form a solid piece) - although at this point it is more like Sugru or thermoplastic.
A shattered ming vase held together with superglue is still valuable, but not as valuable as a ming vase that was never shattered.
I'm cool though, if it doesn't work on historical artefacts, as long as it is true for everyone. It means I'm not taking a simple logical step to help the group because it can't be taken - not because Tyrus is foolish.
The ability to repair things could be useful - in addition to the boat there's been other things. I'm not sure how useful, though.
If it does work on artifacts as long as they were broken recently, it'd actually fix a bunch of cases we had where we've accidentally broken something - such as the book at the start where we failed the handle carefully roll. In that case the book was fragile, but we flubbed the roll to actually break it.
I do like that approach as well. I may combine them. It also sort of implies a point at which an item which has been Made Whole is beyond the ability of the spell to repair. In any case, for the majority of things it would likely just be the spell as normal.
And yes, this would be a world-wide caveat. It also opens up the possibility of repair magic specialists who have researched their own special version which is useful for longer periods of time after breaking, but that's mostly fluff and world stuff.
Letting you guys know I'm unlikely to be able to get a post up this week, as the next couple of posts might be info-heavy (or need to be prepared to be info-heavy). Next post coming Tuesday next, thus.
Alrighty. ^^
No worries, thanks for the heads up!
Cheers
Writing all this up reminds me that I really need to get a damn wiki set up for all this world-building. I'm going to have to go back through all our years of posts to remember all the stuff I forgot to save anywhere else!
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Well, there's always Realm Works if you want to get really into the details. Bit pricey, but solid software overall, especially for campaign management over just a data repository. XD
Scabard works too, and I think they still let you set up a campaign for free.
You can sort of fake it with Google Docs - doesn't looks as great, but easy to edit.
*starts playing 'Should I Stay or Should I Go'*
You guys are going on your own steam right now, but is there any info I can offer to help things along? I'm not entirely sure what Kien is asking from Tyrus right now.
Just asking how he thinks we should proceed with the library people.
I'm okay with either plan
(A) go to the House of Lights and start asking around
(B) go to the library and try to find out more about why this woman is asking for us.
Given (A) does not split the party, maybe we go with that? We can justify it as asking around there.
No splitting the party, not while Tyrus is in a state like this. Kien is essentially the parent of the party right now.
Strong agree. XD Never split the party.
I'll go with the A option, then. I'm going to try and post tonight, but it might end up tomorrow.
I think Tyrus would be inclined to agree to one night for 15 silver and a chance to recover.
As a player I'm wincing at giving up silver at all, given how hard we found it to acquire previously.
What do the rest of you think?
I think the alternative is sleeping on the street, which isn't ok for either of your characters. We'll be fine with losing a little silver.
There are lots of other inns and stuff, I just figured with your newfound cash you wouldn't care as much about finding the absolute best deal in town. But if so, just remark that that's what you do. I didn't want to spend much time on it. :)
Ohhhh, I misunderstood.
Kien would want to be frugal, no need to go crazy. Yes money has been exceptionally hard to come by in this game.
What is a reasonable quality (doesn't necessarily have to be completely separate rooms, but some security is good) inn go for here? Is this place 110%, 150% or 200% the normal amount?
It gets a little easier at higher levels. But fabulous wealth requires dedicated effort (or a lot of luck).
This place is fairly upscale, figure the 150% ish mark. You'd be able to find accommodations at 1.5 silver a night elsewhere in the city that are still clean and have food. The suite option, however, is only available at the nicer inns.
True; suites are quite expensive. Given we've been camping together and sharing cabins, I guess sharing a room is not that onerous; especially if we're posting watches in case of assassins.
Busy week, won't be able to post likely until Monday. Though upon looking at the last post it would seem further player input is needed! We can always do another 'spend awhile working' if you're waiting for other things to happen, as well.
I just don't really have anything to do in downtime really. Not sure what are goals are beyond getting Tyrus better, and it seems we're in the necessary place for that and just need some time.
As a heads up to all of my games, I will be completely unavailable from the 15th-20th. I will be in an area without cell service or internet and as such will be completely dark. Please DMPC me as needed to keep the game moving.
Right-o. ^^
Alright righto, and also sorry I didn't come through on monday. I've had a helluva couple weeks with various things coming up, so I'm going to try again for THIS Monday.
Gotcha. ^^ And I'm still hanging around!
Hate it when the forums don't notify of an update! No worries, as I was very busy over the holidays. Busy tonight as well but will make sure to post tomorrow!
I believe this is just Luca & Kien?
I am amused that if they have done their research they may think the guardian is Tyrus, and have prepared contingencies for an old, fat necromancer. Then they get Kien.
'Well, that antimagic field isn't going to help...'
Yes. Apologies for the split and not having much for your attention, Tyrus. I'll try and get us all back on the same active page soon.
It's fine.
We had things, I got through my bit fast is all :)
*looks at forums*
*double-take*
*cries*
Well, apparently the forums ate yesterday's post. Retyping...
-Patpat- Yeah, they do that if you take too long to post.
As a heads up to all of my games: I am traveling from Friday-Monday and will likely be unable to post very much, please DMPC me as needed. My posting will return to normal on Tuesday.
Roger that!
Essentially speaking, you guys would know enough to see that you have two basic choices: Stick around and see what happens with the Temple of the Triarch, or get out of dodge before that happens.
Trying to take the middle route is also possible: Try to stick around and only fly the coop if you don't like the plan they come up with. But makes escape riskier.
We could have the others flee while Kien stayed around, or maybe Kien and Tyrus. Then if the plan is liked we can grab Luca, and if not worst case scenario they only have us.
So: how is everyone? We've been doing 'social distancing' from home since mid march. We started homeschooling my son 2 weeks ago - I'm looking forward to the 'holidays'! We decided to try to rush our renovation so we could get our main room back, given we're not able to go places.
All is well here. Working from home, cooking a lot and walking the dog, all healthy and safe. I hope you all are well.
Doing fine, though despite the change to work-from-home I'm still plenty busy. I have at-risk relatives I've been running errands for.
Hope everyone is well... as well!
Vis-a-vis our own adventure and assuming we want to continue, I think we were awaiting a decision from the party as to whether to put yourself in the hands of the temple clerics (or put Luca in their hands at least) or just skip town.
Still well here. Our neighbor likely has Covid, but we're doing well to keep our distance.
Kien is wary, but from his sense motive checks is willing to trust them a bit. He is fine with staying and cooperating with them, but wants to be at Luca's side at all times. He may get stomped by these mages if something goes down, but even a high level mage fears the knockout ability of a brawler.
@Kien: that's scary! Hope they are better soon.
I didn't think Tyrus was there. He'd listen to Kien's advice, but back Luca. Even if it means skipping town without a proper answer.
Even the new clue he has now are enough to prompt a whole new avenue of investigation.
I hadn't seen any posts in a very long time, so I sort of assumed everyone had vanished. >.>; You probably could put Luca into their hands if you want to continue that way. I did want to see her hit Level 7 and really come into her own, but at the current pace, uh... yeah.