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Game Master Gilthanis

I don't know that I'd call it gestalt since ACG doesn't actually give you nearly as much as gestalt. You give up things from each of the classes being hybridized. It's kind of a beggar's gestalt. (which is not to say I dislike the classes, many of them are quite good- slayer in particular is a reason to never play a rogue again).

I think it would be ok to gestalt with the ACG classes. As Marvin states, they give up some things from the classes they come from.

And I personally believe there's still a place for the much maligned rogue, as they still have the most skill points of everyone in the game and if there's one thing I always run out of on most characters, it is those ;) But I get what you're saying about the slayer. It only loses 2 skill points and several sneak attack dice but gains a bunch of benefits like full BAB & studied target.

There's also the Investigator if you want a skillmonkey Rogue.

The slayer also gets better HP and another good save. The rogue only having good reflex is a huge weakness especially at high level.

Yeah. Between the Ninja, Vivisectionist Alchemist, Urban Ranger, Archaeologist Bard, Slayer, and Investigator, the Rogue is mostly obsolete outside of a couple niche builds.