That's an unusual combination of archtypes you got there (I've been wanting to try a vivisectionist + Toxicant combination myself, but haven't really considered clone master). Still, as I said, I feel pretty much anything could work, and I stand by it.
Surprised to not see weapon finesse when you got so much higher dex than str. Is it possible to apply toxic secretion to bombs? That would be awesome and you probably don't need finesse, but seems a bit weird to me.
If you are open to suggestions, then racial heritage (Nagji) would give you the ability to chose their awesome favored class bonus as it works very well with toxicant and poisons in general. Though that's not something that's easy to toss in there without some flavor justification.
I agree with you on the matter of tanks. There isn't much in the way of good tanking mechanics in pathfinder.
I guess we have to hope to not run into much in the way of traps and that we either roll high for perception or that they are not fatal when we do so.
Note that we have several people in the party already with quite decent diplomacy already. Though I guess it'll be useful if you are separated from the rest of us, which we seem to be quite often.
Hey there, and welcome!
Sorry I'm late to the party, I've been out of town. I really don't have any character advice except "play what you want." If we find any area in which we are lacking, we'll just have to make up for it or work around it. I think that's part of the fun.
Yeah, I agree that Vivisectionist + Toxicant is probably strictly better - someone did mention though a lack of ranged options which is pretty much the only reason I didn't consider the archetype. If we think its a non issue, then I'd probably pick things up.
Clone Master doesn't do much, admittedly, outside of adding Simulacrum and Clone as available options, which probably help in the "not dying" aspect.
Yeah, I might get Weapon Finesse down the line, but since everything I have atm relies on touch attacks it's not as urgent as I would like - and I'd prefer to rush the trifecta of Ferocious Resolve, Ferocious Action, and Lingering Spirit. If its an issue, I can pick it up next level.
Racial Heritage works really well, but i'd feel super dirty taking it, it's hard to justify some kind of half human/orc/nagji and it just feels like heavily optimising over flavor which I'm hesitant to do.
Yes, you can add poison to bombs (RAW I think), by way of Poisoned Explosive alchemists discovery, although I can also deliver my poison by way of a touch attack.
I'm less concerned about traps. Sera isn't heavily reliant on armour as she could be, eventually I'll be stacking Shield and Barkskin which means that if it was a really urgent situation, I can take off my armour to avoid my armour check penalty. Perception is a possible problem, but its a bit tricky trying to fulfill Perception/Disable Device/Melee/Tank/Ranged/Stealth. Fortunately, Alchemists have access to a pretty solid extract list, so I'd probably end up casting Acute Senses when required,and get a flat +10-20 boost. Or if we are really, really, really worried, just get a wand of mount and send a horse down any corridor we think is trapped. Problem solved.
Yup, Diplomacy is just so I can feel useful in a social / diplomatic situation, rather than trying to cover and area we don't have. I just wanted one social skill, and Diplomacy kinda works for being less antagonistic, as well as having that 'knowledge' thing with Gather Information.
tl;dr: I can swap Clone Master for Vivisectionist but I'd just need everyone to be ok that we might struggle at range. If everyone is happy with this, I am happy changing - I just know ranged was mentioned in passing before and didn't want to feel like I was ignoring all suggestions.
Sera, I will try to get you going in the game within a the next few days.
I don't think anyone have any issue either way. If you want to make a clone master go for that. If you rather want vivisectionist, go for that (though the flavor of vivisectionist might be a bit hard to pull off). Same things for the various skills/roles you listed. We'll manage with whatever you want to play :). Same things for feats, those were just suggestions, if you rather want other things, do that instead.
I don't think Irisa would feel very happy about using horses to deal with traps at least...
I always forget about alchemists, never played one myself. From what I've heard they're very versatile, which seems to be what this AP seems to want. People have even (jokingly?) talked about using all bard parties to play it. I think you'll be fine.
Updates tomorrow or Wednesday. Both nights are going to be packed so I just need to decide on which night I'll need less sleep. It will probably be Wednesday night but who knows. :-)
Hmm, I think on reflection then, I'll keep the Clone Master archetype. Probably fits better with what I'm going with.
Just get me in whenever you like GM, I'll just hang out in discussion until its time.
I'll try to update tomorrow at work, if not will have to be Saturday night.
I'll bot Irisa if she does not chime in by then.
I'm just letting you all know, a very very good friend of mine passed away this morning. So the next couple days I may be slow to reply, and that is why. Or it may pick up because I want to get my mind off of it... Either way, I wanted you to know and when they settle on a date for his funeral, I will be heading down to Texas for it so I will let you when that is.
I'm sorry for your loss. Losing a close friend is difficult. If there's anything I can do for you from here, let me know.
Thank you very much. It means a lot.
Updates tomorrow night, been 4 hours now of updates and it's getting late and I need to get to sleep :-(. Think I thought I would get through things a bit faster tonight. Damn maps eat up a lot of time...
I shall await Sera's reply then.
Sorry! Just finished work and crafted a speedy response on the way home while riding the train. Didn't mean to hold us up.
Oh not a problem. Our PBPs tend to move slower anyways, so you're all good.
My condolences Zeldana.
Being sick with sick kids suck :/.
Oh not a problem. Our PBPs tend to move slower anyways, so you're all good.
Indeed. No worries Sera, that was more of a prompt for everyone else to pause so you could respond :-)
Probably waiting on superior or the boyfriend:) to react before I post further, just to prevent miscommunication.
I'm sorry Zeldana. Get better soon Irisa.
Updates Saturday. Between work, a wake and table top D&D tonight so there is no time to post today.
Tiel and Haace's conversation is pretty much done. No point in dragging it out longer.
Love the reaction Tiel! :-)
When he says friend of Zeldana, he is referring to Irisa right?
I believe so... though I am not the GM! XD
When he says friend of Zeldana, he is referring to Irisa right?
Correct!
I'll give Sera, Irisa and Sholti another day to post if they wish. If they do not post then I'll move us along.
oops, I didn't really have anything to add other than just walking into the coffee shop with everyone else (which we have done). She's still finding her feet at the moment, and, of course, there's a Hellknight right in the middle of the situation.
oops, I didn't really have anything to add other than just walking into the coffee shop with everyone else (which we have done). She's still finding her feet at the moment, and, of course, there's a Hellknight right in the middle of the situation.
Understood :-)
I just did not want to attribute any actions to PC's. I'll move us along shortly.
I warn you, eat those pieces of cake while you can. Zel has a sweet tooth, and while she might eat them in small slices, she will eat the rest of that cake! XD
Do not doubt that!
Also! Get better Irisa!
For someone who worships the Goddess of Redemption you're not very big on the idea of redeeming someone huh? XD
For someone who worships the Goddess of Redemption you're not very big on the idea of redeeming someone huh? XD
LOL.
For someone who worships the Goddess of Redemption you're not very big on the idea of redeeming someone huh? XD
Hehe, well to be clear, personally I absolutely love the whole subplot with the hellknight. But yes, Sholti hates it. You will always be able to count on her to be security minded.
Partially it's the Qadiran merchant in her. She's spent time with the family big leaguers in Absalom and they play hardball there. Trade espionage, paramilitary strikes against rivals, assassination, dirty dirty stuff. One must always be careful. It's like game of thrones except played by people who would make excellent spreadsheets if only they could make spreadsheets. Unless there's really boring magic for that.
Also she seems to be more utterly terrified than anyone else of the whole situation they're in. Deep down she's convinced they're all going to get caught and executed sooner or later. She has no idea why she doesn't just quit, except possibly it's too late now anyway.
She does have some interest in religion, but that's a newer thing for her and more about cultural identity and tradition than outright faith. Her interest in martyrdom for Sarenrae's cause is just south of zero.
So nope, she just can't get behind redeeming dangerous hellknights.
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"As for why we are here..." Tiel begins slowly pacing back and forth and making explanatory gestures as she tries to explain. "A group of us have decided that the recent decrees by the new Thrune mayor are unjust and needlessly restrictive. The citizens are unhappy and the Dottari are overstepping their authority. We decided that something needed to be done before something breaks and anarchy ensues. We noticed a lack of people volunteering to do what needed to be done, so we decided to do it ourselves. I think that some of us may be having second thoughts, though. Zeldana isn't here. Maybe because she's dating a Hellknight. Sholti isn't here. She is pretending to date Rexus, who also isn't here, to convince her parents of something. I'm not sure what. And Rexus is our connection to the previous group who tried to do something. As far as what needs to be done, we haven't got that far yet."Tiel holds up her hands, "There. Now you're all caught up. Or at least as confused as I am."
Oh my god. I think you just won the game Tiel.
In a week this campaign will have been running for a full year! :-)
Finally the gang is back together again!
FYI, the open plot points some of which were delivered in spoilers:
1. A mercenary named Forvian Crowe and most of his men have been arrested and sent to the Sallix Salt Works in Old Kintargo possibly facing a sentence of execution if not hard labor.
2. Hiranno, and her Silver Raven statue, have not checked in with Laria all day long.
3. Clenchjaw’s tavern has gone bad. It was always a nice place to relax but since the Night of Ashes, though, the place is crowded and talk about politics has exploded—as has the number of brawls. Whatever’s causing these brawls at Clenchjaw’s has ruined one of the last places we have to escape the violence.
4. During the Night of Ashes, three buildings mysteriously burned to the ground. No one’s saying it out loud, but the general consensus is that these three buildings (and many of their occupants) were specifically targeted by Barzillai Thrune as dens of sedition.
5. The Order of the Rack has defeated and outlawed the Order of the Torrent.
Some of you met some name NPCs that I would keep track of as potential allies (or enemies?) in the Rebellion.
Of course there is also the tension between all of you and the fact that you have a potential new member...
Didn't Irisa learn a bit more about the places that burned down? Though I guess she hasn't shared it yet I'm fine with her doing it off screen though.
Didn't Irisa learn a bit more about the places that burned down? Though I guess she hasn't shared it yet I'm fine with her doing it off screen though.
I don't remember but I don't think so, check the thread, I thought she just learned the names and not the specifics yet. Specifics I believe are for further investigation.
And what I was hoping to prevent from happening is what ended up happening... -_- great...
Hehe, you mean Sholti's conditions? They're not so onerous. And if Dalth turns out to be legit, (OC I think he will) then problem solved.
Problem is the first condition might already be broken. I'm not sure...
Also Zel feels very sorry for Sholti. To have such a cold heart, at least from where she stand right now...
I think think it has been. If it has somehow, don't tell her?
I wouldn't describe Sholti as cold-hearted at all. She's pragmatic.
Some what overly so it would seem. I guess the real problem is how they go about it, which is just in their character. Zeldana is a very kind-hearted person in general, and willing to help those she sees are down. No matter where they come from or who they are, or even what the law says about them.
She can understand being careful, and moving slowly, but the way Sholti made it seem was that Zeldana was just going to flood Dalth with everything about who they where and what they where planning without even a care about it. Zel is very much on the defensive towards Sholti right now, because she feels like a child who is getting belittled by their parents even though they are an adult.
I know Sholti is worried, for her family for herself and for her friends, and is wanting to contain a situation that she finds problematic. But all Zeldana sees right now, is someone she called a friend saying "No I don't trust you at all and if you don't do it my way, I'm walking away." She doesn't believe that the proof that would settle her fears about Dalth would settle Sholti's fears, mainly because she has just found out that they don't both want to see Kintargo come back better then it was. That Sholti just wants to return it to what it was before the Thrune got there. That isn't what Zeldana wants, and it isn't what she believe Kintargo needs. She believes it needs to be made better than it was, a place that can stand against what the Thrunes could throw at it after all this blows over.
Great RP back and forth gals [and guys :-)].
I am going to move us forward now so we can get into the meat of the AP.
Note that you can pursue these plots or go in another direction entirely. Certain story events will begin to occur even if you do nothing or even if you do something so there are many moving parts to this AP.
You do not need to investigate everything or you can chase down every lead. If the group wants to split up that is fine by me I am capable of DMing such a group if you wish of course the greater the numbers pursuing a common goal the greater the success.
Oh I don't know, Sholti seems about exactly pragmatic enough to me.
Here's how things look to her. Zel has made a number of unilateral decisions about Dalth that affect the group as a whole. Dalth is particularly risky to trust in an environment where people are being swept up on any suspicion.
When Sholti says "wait a minute here" via note, Zel goes to the others and unites them against her, leaving Sholti isolated before they even speak face-to-face. Sholti is presented with a fait accompli on the question of Dalth when she walks in the door. He stays close.
Sholti is actually the second person to offer to leave the group, not the first. It worked for Zel in getting what she wanted, so why not do the same to get some guarantees in exchange? Zel used it to win the larger debate, Sholti wants a consolation prize.
Sholti has more than a passing suspicion that Zel is taking her position on Dalth due to personal romantic feelings rather than a clear-eyed view of the situation.
So it looks like Sholti and Zel are mirroring each other, both assuming they are the ones on the defensive. That will probably fade with some time and new events to pay attention to.
As for proof, it's a vague demand to be met and only needs to be met if there's to be an attempt to actually bring Dalth into the group. I'm sure something will come up that will work, unless he actually can't be trusted.
Sooo much to reply to... I wish I had more time earlier so I could reply earlier before things went to far and didn't have to write this huge wall of text now.
Updates tonight or tomorrow been sick as Hell.
Ugh, I hope you feel better soon!