DM Alexander Kilcoyne's Kingmaker PBP- Interlude (Between 1 & 2) (Inactive)

Game Master Alexander Kilcoyne

I like the idea of celebrating the birth of our nation. I say we plan so we can unveil the monument of Edric on the day of the festival.

From a purely ooc/metagame perspective, the builders should make sure to leave plenty of space around the statue, so that any of us that may fall along the way can also get a statue. By the time we finish the AP, Swordhaven could have a whole park dedicated to the "fallen heroes of Kardas". Like THIS

Malthir in his spare time will construct one Breasplate each month to add to the treasury. The materials are 66.67gp each so I can possibly net 133.33gp each month. It took me two months to finish mine and Fenna's armor so starting in month 3

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Don't forget, I'd like a mithril agile breastplate too.

Malthir Al Dagon wrote:

Malthir in his spare time will construct one Breasplate each month to add to the treasury. The materials are 66.67gp each so I can possibly net 133.33gp each month. It took me two months to finish mine and Fenna's armor so starting in month 3

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Don't forget, I'd like a mithril agile breastplate too.

Keep pushing for the guildhall, the sooner we can get the base city value up, the sooner we can get the materials in for me to work on it :)

I am selling my masterwork half plate and MW longsword BTW if anyone is interested :).

You may want to keep the longsword, since it's cold iron - could be useful if we know we are going up against fey or other creatures with DR.

Speaking of Masterwork weapons, what other three weapons did we get from Kesten?

You still have three left to claim. So far, Casimir claimed an Aldori Sword.

2 votes for saving up for a guild in the capital, 1 vote for measured growth. Fenna and Ilya left to vote or propose an alternative.

Question: I originally had the idea of scribing scrolls to make money, but I was worried about the in-game mechanics of selling the scrolls. If Malthir is making breastplates to sell, can Ilya makes scrolls?

I understand that everyone are eager to use their various skills to contribute to the welfare of the nation, but at some point I think we should focus on two things - ruling and adventuring.

It's fine to sell off the loot we gather during adventures and items generated by buildings. The game has rules for that. But instead of figuring out how to drop an extra 50 gp into the treasury, shouldn't we focus on the decisions for the coming months so we can get out of the Interlude and fire up Chapter 2?

After all, you don't see Obama taking a few cases at the local lawfirm to drop the US deficit an extra 0.00001% in his spare time, do you?

Sorry if this seems harsh - not the intention at all. Just eager to get on with the adventures.

Question: I originally had the idea of scribing scrolls to make money, but I was worried about the in-game mechanics of selling the scrolls. If Malthir is making breastplates to sell, can Ilya makes scrolls?

Alex already asked my to adjust my approach on the crafting thing and just mak one general craft check per month vs. crafting anything specific.

Ilya & Fenna, just need your input on our next few months strategy so don't forget to vote...on the month 7 approaches.

How much money could Ilya make?

Since scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, we could work for 8 hours a day to scribe 4 2nd-level scrolls. At a base price of 150 gold pieces, we have a profit of 75 gold pieces after labor and materials are subtracted.

4 (scrolls per day) * 365 (days per year) * 75 (gold pieces) * 2 = 21,900 gold pieces.

That's an extra 5 BP for our kingdom, so I was just interested in seeing what DM AK would say about it.

I vote for economic development. Stability and Loyalty can come later through the acquisition of landmarks, leadership bonuses, and military buildup.

I like the idea of celebrating the birth of our nation. I say we plan so we can unveil the monument of Edric on the day of the festival.

From a purely ooc/metagame perspective, the builders should make sure to leave plenty of space around the statue, so that any of us that may fall along the way can also get a statue. By the time we finish the AP, Swordhaven could have a whole park dedicated to the "fallen heroes of Kardas". Like THIS

I was going to suggest the same thing.

How much money could Ilya make?

Since scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, we could work for 8 hours a day to scribe 4 2nd-level scrolls. At a base price of 150 gold pieces, we have a profit of 75 gold pieces after labor and materials are subtracted.

4 (scrolls per day) * 365 (days per year) * 75 (gold pieces) * 2 = 21,900 gold pieces.

That's an extra 5 BP for our kingdom, so I was just interested in seeing what DM AK would say about it.

I vote for economic development. Stability and Loyalty can come later through the acquisition of landmarks, leadership bonuses, and military buildup.

Unfortunately, that assumes you are doing practically nothing else. I think running a kingdom takes a little time.

Now, I think it is ok, if we use our skills to make a little money to add to the kingdom treasury, but 1) we should use Take 10 and 2) we can't do it full-time and avoid "vacancy" penalties.

The feedback I recieved from Alex was that we wouldn't be able to spend anymore than a week on "other" pursuits in a month. I think this makes sense as the rest of the time we are kingdom building. I would imagine this is similar to us still adventuring while trying to run a Kingdom.
Hopefully our Kingdom will be more "stable" by this time.

Alright, that sounds fine. Are we just waiting on Alex now?

Alright, that sounds fine. Are we just waiting on Alex now?

Sort of, I think we have the majority for the plan, go straight for the Guildhall. We need 2 Economy checks, one for selling the item and another for generating income. I am not making those checks due to my sordid economic rolling history...someone please feel free. Remember to factor in the bad weather from our last event.

The next few turns should go pretty quickly until we have the Guildhall completed. As Cas mentioned we will also need a house as part of the toal cost.

Economy: 1d20 + 25 ⇒ (3) + 25 = 28 Edit: minus the negative modifiers for the rain.

Economy 1d20 + 25 ⇒ (17) + 25 = 42

OK the scroll sells, and we generate another 8 BP's...42-2 for bad weather!!!!!
Good month chaps...

A founding celebration sounds good, and hopefully by the end of the two years we can afford to bump up to six festivals and include a few of the major religious holidays too.

OK lets get ahead of this thing, here is the Kingdom check for Stability 1d20 + 17 ⇒ (15) + 17 = 32 , unless we need to use this for an event, we will see!

EDIT: Par for course, I can't have anything to do with the Economy, but I seem to be able to keep everyone calm and secure...btw our stability is 1d20 +17, I made a mistake on stability due to a stat issue so it is 1 less. Luckily I think we have made all of them with so cushion so far.
We need to add some stability soon....very soon, we won't stay this lucky.

I think we've been just one over the DC a few times, but not exactly on it.

Once we get the guild hall, it might be a good idea to get a few tradesmen and/or piers set up to boost stability while still growing the economy.

Edit: In fact, the piers are strictly better than tradesmen until we run out of water adjacent plots (while keeping room for a waterfront?), since it costs the same with the house for the tradesmen, but gives twice the base value adjustment.

Just uploaded the kingdom of Kardas map for month 8. Included roads and farms, tbo I couldn't find any farm type icons...but you know what is in the hex...

How much money could Ilya make?

Since scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, we could work for 8 hours a day to scribe 4 2nd-level scrolls. At a base price of 150 gold pieces, we have a profit of 75 gold pieces after labor and materials are subtracted.

4 (scrolls per day) * 365 (days per year) * 75 (gold pieces) * 2 = 21,900 gold pieces.

That's an extra 5 BP for our kingdom, so I was just interested in seeing what DM AK would say about it.

Much as I asked Malthir to simply make craft checks to generate GP rather than making and selling breastplates, i'd like you to be able to use your profession skill (as you have been doing) in the same way. No scribing scrolls to sell please.

Sorry guys, I had RP all evening yesterday and didn't get time to check in before bed.

Give me a minute to catch up with you all and i'll move things along.

So I think your on 27GP then?

Month 7 Event Chance (25%)- 1d100 ⇒ 64 No event

Month 8-

Stability roll passes, 1BP gained as unrest was at 0.

Minor Item Generated- Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds (300GP)

The kingdom of Kardas continues to consolidate its funds? Might be nice to decide what grand guild your going to unveil- Basket Weavers? ;)

Brewers' guild, of course. The Stronghaven Stout is already famous all over the River Kingdoms.

Edit: I say we buy the potion for the party.

Our beloved Kardas needs a motto, a banner and a heraldic crest. Any suggestions?

Also, before we start firing up the slavic dictionaries again, remember that while we all come from Brevoy, we are technically part of the River Kingdoms, where a lot of different names and cultural references are used (Daggermark, Cordelon, Pitax, Mivon etc.).

Brewers' guild, of course. The Stronghaven Stout is already famous all over the River Kingdoms.

Perfect, and once we get our pier set up, we can export all around the inner sea! Just double the price and write 'special reserve' on the bottles and it'll be an instant hit in Taldor.

Brewers' guild, of course. The Stronghaven Stout is already famous all over the River Kingdoms.

Edit: I say we buy the potion for the party.

Can we buy potions from Bokken still at a 25% discount, or did that end? We have several already CMW, CLW, and a couple of cure serious wounds potions already unless we want more ?

Yes we start the turn at 27BP.
Someone make an economy roll...it won't be me...1 for the sale, if we sell and 1 for the BP gain.
We probably need two more turns to be able to afford the house and Guildhall, if we roll decent and nothing hits us...

Casimir wrote:

Brewers' guild, of course. The Stronghaven Stout is already famous all over the River Kingdoms.

Edit: I say we buy the potion for the party.

Can we buy potions from Bokken still at a 25% discount, or did that end? We have several already CMW, CLW, and a couple of cure serious wounds potions already unless we want more ?

I was thinking we might want to buy a wand of CLW's for the party for between battles as well.

That potion discount is at an end i'm afraid- but you got a half price herbalist to compensate which is an amazing deal.

Yup, economy roll time for BP gain, and one to sell the potion (note- 300GP gain into donation pool, NOT BP gain as its less than 4K value).

Let's see if Casimir can do a little better than his last roll: 1d20 + 25 ⇒ (5) + 25 = 30 Edit: better, but not much...

Let's see if Casimir can do a little better than his last roll: 1d20+25 Edit: better, but not much...

Potion of Cure Mod sells, 300GP into donation pool.

Second roll needed to see how your economy did this month.

Heh...good thing I have rolled for selling items on both my crappy rolls - let's see if Kalev has a nose for finance.

Economy: 1d20 + 25 ⇒ (19) + 25 = 44

Stability: 1d20 + 17 ⇒ (12) + 17 = 29

Heh...good thing I have rolled for selling items on both my crappy rolls - let's see if Kalev has a nose for finance.

Apparently he does!

8 BP gained.

Event Chance (75%)- 1d100 ⇒ 72

Food Surplus: Farmers produce an unexpected windfall!
Your Consumption is halved during the next Upkeep phase.

Afraid as Consumption is 0 no benefit. I'm going to house rule that you gained 1BP from selling all the surplus grain.

Month 9

Stability check passes- 1BP gained.

Note- You can afford the Guildhall and House this turn (37BP exactly you have), but it will leave you with 0BP. On the other hand, the chance of event this turn is only 25%...

Note- You can afford the Guildhall and House this turn (37BP exactly you have), but it will leave you with 0BP. On the other hand, the chance of event this turn is only 25%...

Ooh, risky... but tempting...

Quick question: do buildings that raise unrest do so every month, or just when they are built, like those which reduce it?

DM Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:

Note- You can afford the Guildhall and House this turn (37BP exactly you have), but it will leave you with 0BP. On the other hand, the chance of event this turn is only 25%...

Ooh, risky... but tempting...

Quick question: do buildings that raise unrest do so every month, or just when they are built, like those which reduce it?

Just when they are built.

Minor Item Generated- +1 Full Plate (value 2,650GP)

Hmm... Malthir is the only one who could wear the +1 full plate without penalty. Do you want it, Malthir, or should we just sell it?

I say hold off on the guildhall for another turn or two so we don't bankrupt ourselves building it. Some other economic building would be great.

Fenna Thistleswade wrote:

Quick question: do buildings that raise unrest do so every month, or just when they are built, like those which reduce it?

Just when they are built.

Perhaps we should build some tenements this turn, our unrest is under control and it'll save a couple of BP next turn.

Smithy or Tannery...cheap and gives good bonuses.

Hmm... Malthir is the only one who could wear the +1 full plate without penalty. Do you want it, Malthir, or should we just sell it?

I say hold off on the guildhall for another turn or two so we don't bankrupt ourselves building it. Some other economic building would be great.

I will take the plate...don't know how many times something like that will come around...sold!

I say stick with the plan and get the Guildhall next month. We should have some BP left after it with this month's econ roll.

Economy: 1d20 + 25 ⇒ (13) + 25 = 38

Obviously when you make the economy roll each turn, no building can be made this same turn- it did look to me like there was still some discussion going on about building this turn. 7BP gained.

EventChance 25%- 1d100 ⇒ 85

Month 10-

Sorry, I was told to roll...

Suggestion:

To avoid we "miss" things again and also because I'll be of limited accessibility from the Wednesday to Wednesday next week, I suggest we take only 1 (or at most 2) months per day. That way everybody can chime in on decisions, etc.

Guildhall!

What rolls need to be made?

Edit: New CITY MAP

Suggestion:

To avoid we "miss" things again and also because I'll be of limited accessibility from the Wednesday to Wednesday next week, I suggest we take only 1 (or at most 2) months per day. That way everybody can chime in on decisions, etc.

I think we are all agreed with that approach.

We need to start it off with a stability roll for month 10, Tanner or Kalev feel free to roll it up!

EDIT: So for month 10 we should be building the Guildhall and a house
and then open the discussion for what to do with month 11!

Starting BP should be 44 before the Stability Roll.

Guildhall!

What rolls need to be made?

Edit: New CITY MAP

Guildhall wasn't built yet, but it looks likely it will be this month along with a house.

Also, since the Guildhall needs its own house adjacent to it, it can't be located in its current position.

I suggest placing it opposite the brewery - it is the brewers guild after all. :-D

Edit: Actually, DM AK, I'd like a clarification/ruling on whether a building that needs an adjacent house can share an existing house used by another building, or if it needs it "own" house/houses.