Monk Questions

Hi all,
I was wondering if...

a) Scaled Fist and Hungry Ghost Monk are stackable archetypes.
b) Would be possible take a Ninja Trick with the Unchained Rogue and use the Monk's ki pool to gain Vanishing Trick.

Thanks,
Skarm

Hi all,

I was wondering if...

a) Scaled Fist and Hungry Ghost Monk are stackable archetypes.
b) Would be possible take a Ninja Trick with the Unchained Rogue and use the Monk's ki pool to gain Vanishing Trick.

Thanks,
Skarm

Question 1:

No.
Scaled Fist is an archetype for the UC Monk and Hungry Ghost for the Core Monk.
Scaled Fist replaces Ki powers granted only by UC Monk and Hungry Ghost replaces Wholness of Body which is a class feature of only the Core Monk.
UC monk does have a Ki power by the same name but it is gained a different level, functions differently, and is not a class feature in and of its self.
It is a reasonable house-rule, but not normally possible.

Question 2:
Yes.
You can take Ninja Trick as an UC Rogue as it is listed under "The following rogue talents can be used without modification."

A rogue with this talent can choose a trick from the ninja trick list. The rogue cannot choose a ninja trick with the same name as a rogue talent. The rogue can choose but cannot use talents that require ki points, unless she has a ki pool. A rogue can pick this talent more than once. The ninja cannot choose a ninja trick with the same name as a rogue talent.

Your monk Ki pool may be used to fuel this power. This is supported by...

If the ninja possesses levels in another class that grants points to a ki pool, ninja levels stack with the levels of that class to determine the total number of ki points in the combined pool, but only one ability score modifier is added to the total. The choice of which score to use is made when the second class ability is gained, and once made, the choice is set. The ninja can now use ki points from this pool to power the abilities of every class she possesses that grants a ki pool.

Skarm wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering if...

a) Scaled Fist and Hungry Ghost Monk are stackable archetypes.
b) Would be possible take a Ninja Trick with the Unchained Rogue and use the Monk's ki pool to gain Vanishing Trick.

Thanks,
Skarm

Question 1:

No.
Scaled Fist is an archetype for the UC Monk and Hungry Ghost for the Core Monk.
Scaled Fist replaces Ki powers granted only by UC Monk and Hungry Ghost replaces Wholness of Body which is a class feature of only the Core Monk.
UC monk does have a Ki power by the same name but it is gained a different level, functions differently, and is not a class feature in and of its self.
It is a reasonable house-rule, but not normally possible.

Hi,

I am afraid you have misunderstood:
I was planning to use this archetype combination with the core Monk.

I have checked and the Scaled Fist seems to be a "dual" archetype, which modifies Bonus Feats, replaces Still Mind, replaces Maneuver Training and replaces Quivering Palm.

There are further details listed for UC Monk, but since I am interested into the HGM, I am not looking at that...
Skarm

yes the two archetypes can stack

Thewms wrote:

Skarm wrote:

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Question 1:

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Hi,

I am afraid you have misunderstood:
I was planning to use this archetype combination with the core Monk.

I have checked and the Scaled Fist seems to be a "dual" archetype, which modifies Bonus Feats, replaces Still Mind, replaces Maneuver Training and replaces Quivering Palm.

There are further details listed for UC Monk, but since I am interested into the HGM, I am not looking at that...
Skarm

Well I'll be... You are absolutely correct! I wasn't aware that Scaled Fist was an archetype for both Core and UC. Lady-J is the winner. They definitely stack.