| CrystalSeas |
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Still in the planning stages, but you can help get this organized:
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If you can't get to DC, organize a local march!!
Welcome! We want to thank you all for your incredible outpouring of support for this march. We are working to schedule a March for Science on DC and across the United States. We have not settled on a date yet but will do so as quickly as possible and announce it here.
Although this will start with a march, we hope to use this as a starting point to take a stand for science in politics. Slashing funding and restricting scientists from communicating their findings (from tax-funded research!) with the public is absurd and cannot be allowed to stand as policy. This is a non-partisan issue that reaches far beyond people in the STEM fields and should concern anyone who values empirical research and science.
There are certain things that we accept as facts with no alternatives. The Earth is becoming warmer due to human action. The diversity of life arose by evolution. Politicians who devalue expertise risk making decisions that do not reflect reality and must be held accountable. An American government that ignores science to pursue ideological agendas endangers the world.
Please bear with us as pull together our mission statement and further details. Many more updates to come on Monday.
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We already have a way to tell the politicians how we feel. It's called voting.
Voting is actually a pretty poor way to tell politicians how one feels. First of all, it doesn't happen very often (once every six years in the case of senators, for example), and second, it really only provides a single bit of information --- at the end of which, the information is no longer useful, because either the person you disagreed with is no longer in office, or because the person you disagreed with was returned to office and has no reason to pay attention to you.
Writing letters to elected officials are much more effective than voting, but most people don't bother to do that. Marches and public demonstrations are probably the most effective way of demonstrating that a particular position has a substantial bloc of support behind it.
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Cubed wrote:We already have a way to tell the politicians how we feel. It's called voting.Voting is actually a pretty poor way to tell politicians how one feels. First of all, it doesn't happen very often (once every six years in the case of senators, for example), and second, it really only provides a single bit of information --- at the end of which, the information is no longer useful, because either the person you disagreed with is no longer in office, or because the person you disagreed with was returned to office and has no reason to pay attention to you.
Writing letters to elected officials are much more effective than voting, but most people don't bother to do that. Marches and public demonstrations are probably the most effective way of demonstrating that a particular position has a substantial bloc of support behind it.
Calls, preferably to the local office, not the Washington one. Actual visits, town halls and the like.
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That's a pretty s+~$ty way of looking at it. From my kids I say "thanks for nothing"
Not your problem. Please.
I actually find it refreshingly honest. Let's be fair, this is the default position of most people; at least he's up front about it rather then hiding his apathy behind internet slactivism or a silly wristband.
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That's a pretty s!!~ty way of looking at it. From my kids I say "thanks for nothing"
Not your problem. Please.
Also for those currently living on low-lying islands. Or in drought stricken areas.
It's all NIMBY. Just the same, on a larger scale, as not caring about the toxic pollution from the dirty factory because your house is upwind.
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CrystalSeas wrote:will get no decisions made at all and deadlock at best.BigNorseWolf wrote:Probably never but 4 years will make a pretty good start...Mid-term elections are only 2 years away. No one has to wait 4 years to start making changes in Congress.
Deadlock will be a huge improvement.
But the real fight in 2018 is for statehouses.
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BigNorseWolf wrote:Probably never but 4 years will make a pretty good start...Mid-term elections are only 2 years away. No one has to wait 4 years to start making changes in Congress.
And to be honest Trump's not going to make it that far. The Right made a Faustian deal with him and they will get rid of him as soon as he outlives his usefulness. He insulted the intelligence community and as David Brooks pointed out "And, believe me, woe to you who insults the intelligence community, if you’re president. You do not want to get on their bad side, because, A, they leak a lot. B, you actually need them to learn about the world". Trump has undoubtedly done something in the past the either the FBI, CIA, or NSA knows about. At a convenient time something will come up and he will be gone. And as to my previous comment I counter with "if you don't vote, you don't exist" as far as the politicians are concerned. Unless you pose a credible threat to the establishment (e.g. voting) they have no reason to listen to you. The price for a senator to hang on to a six-year term is in the millions of dollars. If you're neither voting nor giving them money then why, oh why, should they care about you?
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Cubed wrote:We already have a way to tell the politicians how we feel. It's called voting.Maybe, but watching the President become increasingly unglued because people don't like him is pretty amusing.
Not so. He seems pretty focused to me. sadly
It will be a sad day when they finally wrest control of his Twitter account away from him.
Not gonna happen. Even the King of Mexico Presidente de México has an active Twitter account.
I conclude that all politicians are twits and there's nothing to be done about it. ;p
| CrystalSeas |
But the real fight in 2018 is for statehouses.
Yes, that may be more fruitful. The Supreme Court has a major decision coming up on the "one person, one vote" issue. Basically, the question is whether congressional districts must use population or voters as the base. Is a "person" a registered voter or is a "person" a human being counted in the decennial census.
Depending on their decision, state legislatures may be redrawing congressional district boundaries to be even more gerrymandered than they are now.
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| thejeff |
thejeff wrote:But the real fight in 2018 is for statehouses.Yes, that may be more fruitful. The Supreme Court has a major decision coming up on the "one person, one vote" issue. Basically, the question is whether congressional districts must use population or voters as the base. Is a "person" a registered voter or is a "person" a human being counted in the decennial census.
Depending on their decision, state legislatures may be redrawing congressional district boundaries to be even more gerrymandered than they are now.
Is there another case on this coming up already?
The court unanimously decided Evenwel v. Abbott if favor of population this past April.
| CrystalSeas |
Is there another case on this coming up already?
The court unanimously decided Evenwel v. Abbott if favor of population this past April.
Let me see if I can find it. That decision only said that they "may" use population, not that they "must" use population. Under that decision they also "may" use registered voters as the base.
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In other science news, the EPA's climate change website was removed earlier this week.
If you want some idea of what happens when a federal government declares war on scientific data, take a look at what happened in Canada several years ago under the Harper government
There is a national US initiative to download and preserve climate data. You can help by getting involved locally
Look for local data rescue efforts. There's a big one where I live. You just bring your laptop to the event, and help download. Kinda like SETI in reverse.
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Delightful wrote:Have I got news for you!Meh. I'm pretty sure I'll be long dead by the time global warming seriously affects where I'm currently living, so I really can't be bothered to care about this.
That said, if these scientists promise that the funding they apparently need goes to some kind of immortality serum...
Hehe. My mother always did say I was a bloodsucking leech.