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I think this is the right place for this question, but I'm not sure.
I'm reading through #6-10, and Drandle Drang claims that the Society started at the Wounded Wisp, yet in The Confirmation (#5-08) Kreighton Shaine claims it was at the Pig's Paunch. Which one is correct? If these get played back to back (like at the convention I'm going to next week), some bright young pathfinder will pick up on this, so it would be nice to have an answer!
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It was the Wounded Wisp (Seekers of Secrets 26). I have no recollection of where "The Pig's Paunch" came from, but it's not showing up in my search of Paizo's published materials. It's something that needs correcting in The Confirmation.
Kreighton shane's been hitting the Flayleaf again...
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I wondered the same thing as I read through Wisp.
The invitation delivered last night was remarkably simple, especially given the importance of the occasion: “Start where it all began. Meet us at the Pig’s Paunch one hour before dawn.” The Pig’s Paunch is a run-down building with a faded sign of a large pig standing on its hind legs, arms folded above a corpulent belly. Inside, the air is thick with the scents of human sweat, stale tobacco, and leftover food. In the center of the room, surrounded by inebriates sleeping off their revelries, a familiar elven man stands high upon top of a large round table. “Welcome! Welcome, my students! Please, have a seat!” With that, Kreighton Shaine, the Pathfinder Society’s Master of Scrolls, nimbly drops down to sit cross-legged on the table before looking about the tavern with a sense of reverent wonder. “Can you believe it? It all started here years ago—well, over four hundred of them at least. Under this very roof the Pathfinder Society was born.
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I noticed this when I was writing it, as I relied heavily on the work already put into The Confirmation.
My 'headcanon' was that the Pig's Paunch may have been where the Society was formally formed, but the Wounded Wisp was where all the members met before the Society was actually turned into an actual organization. That's how I justified it in my writing, even mentioning this to John way back in October when I first noticed it.
Luckily, it looks like it's just a minor historical gremlin! :)
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I noticed this when I was writing it, as I relied heavily on the work already put into The Confirmation.
My 'headcanon' was that the Pig's Paunch may have been where the Society was formally formed, but the Wounded Wisp was where all the members met before the Society was actually turned into an actual organization. That's how I justified it in my writing, even mentioning this to John way back in October when I first noticed it.
Luckily, it looks like it's just a minor historical gremlin! :)
So they were used to meeting at dennys but decided to go to applebees for an important event?
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So they were used to meeting at dennys but decided to go to applebees for an important event?I noticed this when I was writing it, as I relied heavily on the work already put into The Confirmation.
My 'headcanon' was that the Pig's Paunch may have been where the Society was formally formed, but the Wounded Wisp was where all the members met before the Society was actually turned into an actual organization. That's how I justified it in my writing, even mentioning this to John way back in October when I first noticed it.
Luckily, it looks like it's just a minor historical gremlin! :)
Of course, the Shadow Lodge insists that the Pathfinder Society was founded at a Tim Hortons or Waffle House. That is the core issue that fractured the Society in earlier seasons. We at Paizo keep the true answer a secret, on par with what happened to Aroden.
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Of course, the Shadow Lodge insists that the Pathfinder Society was founded at a Tim Hortons or Waffle House. That is the core issue that fractured the Society in earlier seasons. We at Paizo keep the true answer a secret, on par with what happened to Aroden.So they were used to meeting at dennys but decided to go to applebees for an important event?I noticed this when I was writing it, as I relied heavily on the work already put into The Confirmation.
My 'headcanon' was that the Pig's Paunch may have been where the Society was formally formed, but the Wounded Wisp was where all the members met before the Society was actually turned into an actual organization. That's how I justified it in my writing, even mentioning this to John way back in October when I first noticed it.
Luckily, it looks like it's just a minor historical gremlin! :)
Fractured = scattered, smothered and covered ;-)
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If the reference to the Pig's Paunch is getting looked into, maybe also take a look at Janira Gavix's initials in The Confirmation. Her initials there are "J. L."; is that a mistake or is it a hint?!
I think her wayfinder is a hand-me-down from another pathfinder. It's how they are described as passing on in Seeker of Secrets.
Now then, who would that possibly be?
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It is disappointing to me that such directly conflicting information about the origin of the Pathfinder Society has now been included in the two replayable scenarios.
Wounded Wisp:
"It’s among Absalom’s most storied taverns, you see, and one that
holds a special place of privilege in the Society’s lore as the place
where the organization began."
Pig's Paunch:
“Can you believe it? It all started here years ago—well, over fourhundred of them at least. Under this very roof the Pathfinder
Society was born."
A saving grace may be to turn this into a running gag, and have a different assertion as to the true location of the founding of the PFS appear in every season.
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I don't think the two statements are directly conflicting. First, they are from two different people, both of whom are of... questionable memory, shall we say. Second, as Thursty pointed out, there is an interpretation that makes both of them work. Perhaps some larger plot will explain the discrepancy? Perhaps this demonstrates the existence of "factions" even in the Society's early days? Perhaps Drandle Dreng just mispoke, misremembered, or is just a nutbar?
I'd prefer to not see "running gag" plot-lines, myself.
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I think the founders were all worshipers of Cayden Cailean. Too drunk to remember if it was this tavern or that tavern.
Actually, they are just down the street from each other, and the Pathfinder Society was actually founded in both of them. During a more-or-less standard pub crawl, so some of the foundations were laid in one, and finished in the other.
And, as usual for a pub crawl, it got a little (okay, a lot) drunk out that night. Or was that the next morning? I would ask our Cleric, but he is a Caydenite, and looooves his Enhanced Water spell...
So, could a Drunken Barbarian/Drunken Master Monk/Caydenite Cleric be able to power himself up with ki using a cantrip?
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Again, for those who missed it: John answered this question in post #3. The Society was founded at the Wounded Wisp. The Pig's Paunch likely came out of the head of Kreighton "Lost His Mind" Shane, who's likely never been in any bar in his life.
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Again, for those who missed it: John answered this question in post #3. The Society was founded at the Wounded Wisp. The Pig's Paunch likely came out of the head of Kreighton "Lost His Mind" Shane, who's likely never been in any bar in his life.
The Pig's Paunch likely came out of the head of Kreighton "Delirium Tremens" Shane, who's likely never been out of a bar in his life.
Fixed that for you.
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Of course, there's even more room for confusion, considering the time of meeting in each adventure: maybe the Wounded Wisp was where the Pathfinder founders always went to drink and hang out in the evenings... the Pig's Paunch was where they went in the morning for that 'hair of the dog' fix for hangovers...
So it's still kind'a "both"?
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It is disappointing to me that such directly conflicting information about the origin of the Pathfinder Society has now been included in the two replayable scenarios.
Wounded Wisp:
"It’s among Absalom’s most storied taverns, you see, and one that
holds a special place of privilege in the Society’s lore as the place
where the organization began."Pig's Paunch:
“Can you believe it? It all started here years ago—well, over fourhundred of them at least. Under this very roof the Pathfinder
Society was born."A saving grace may be to turn this into a running gag, and have a different assertion as to the true location of the founding of the PFS appear in every season.
I wonder if Dreng is thinking of "conceived" while Shane is specifically calling out "born".
There's a least a 9 month interval there, depending on your race...
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I'm planning on going with the Pig's Paunch ownership decided to change the name back to The Wounded Wisp to appeal to nostalgia until we hear otherwise (and I'm not holding my breath).
Actually, no one in the Pathfinder Society, besides Kreighton Shane, who navigates with his eyes closed, anyhow, could find the place under the new name. The owners had to rename it to bring back all the business they lost....
I'm planning on going with the Pig's Paunch ownership decided to change the name back to The Wounded Wisp to appeal to nostalgia until we hear otherwise (and I'm not holding my breath).
I just ran the Confirmation this past month. I wish I had found this thread before then.
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I'm planning on going with the Pig's Paunch ownership decided to change the name back to The Wounded Wisp to appeal to nostalgia until we hear otherwise (and I'm not holding my breath).I just ran the Confirmation this past month. I wish I had found this thread before then.
AOL*, man. It was PbP so I was able to expand significantly on the included script, and I could easily have slipped in, "Of course, it was named something else then -- the 'Wounded Wisp' as I recall.."