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Currently we have Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law and the equivalent magic circle spell.
They all stop "any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment [charm] effects and enchantment [compulsion] effects," cast on the protected creature and on a successful saving throw suppress an existing effect if the caster is of the appropriate alignment.
That line of spell practically shut down the power of the enchantment school for a chaotic/evil/good/lawful caster.
Nothing stop a neutral caster, so if someone want to specialize in enchantment spells the obvious choice is to be neutral.
There is some drawback that balance that advantage?
(I know we can houserule an appropriate spell, I am curious to know if I have missed some drawback in the official rules)
Currently we have Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law and the equivalent magic circle spell.
They all stop "any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment [charm] effects and enchantment [compulsion] effects," cast on the protected creature and on a successful saving throw suppress an existing effect if the caster is of the appropriate alignment.
That line of spell practically shut down the power of the enchantment school for a chaotic/evil/good/lawful caster.
Nothing stop a neutral caster, so if someone want to specialize in enchantment spells the obvious choice is to be neutral.There is some drawback that balance that advantage?
(I know we can houserule an appropriate spell, I am curious to know if I have missed some drawback in the official rules)
enchantment spells are hardly that overpowered to begin with
except the save or die ones, which usually have HD limits
in fact, the few things you can do with enchantment, you can mimic with either another school, or a skill check, diplomacy being a popular choice.
you can't really smite neutral characters either.
but then, there are many classes you currently can't become if you are neutral
many PRCs
monk (barring 1 archetype)
Paladin/Antipaladin
Cleric (of most non-neutral Gods)
Inquisitor (of most non-neutral gods)
any 3.5 class with "Any Good" "Any Lawful" "Any Chaotic" or "Any Evil" in it's alignment restriction
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Speaking of the spells that are blocked by the Protection from ... line of spells, Charm person/monster, Dominate person/monster, Hold person/monster, Suggestion, Irresistible dance, are pretty good.
Essentially a first level spell can shut down 70% of a school of magic unless the caster is neutral/neutral.
At that point he has no problem.
That some class has alignment restriction has no effect if you want to be an enchanter. The only possible exception is a cleric that want to specialize in enchantments, but their spell list is way les powerful that that of the wizard/sorcerer in that regard.
Amended, as Pupsocket is right.
Protection From Evil: Does this work against all charm and compulsion effects? Or just against charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as charm person, command, and dominate person (and thus not effects like sleep or confusion, as the caster does not have ongoing influence or puppet-like control of the target)?The latter interpretation is correct: protection from evil only works on charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as command, charm person, and dominate person; it doesn't work on sleep or confusion. (Sleep is a border case for this issue, but the designers feel that "this spell overrides your brain's sleep centers" is different enough than "this spell overrides your resistance to commands from others.")
—Sean K Reynolds, 05/31/11
Still, Protection from [alignment] will stop 9th level spells (Dominate monster, probably not Hold monster mass) if the caster is non neutral, do nothing if he is neutral.
There is any reason not to be neutral if you want to make heavy use of enchantment spells?
PfE doesn't block every enchantment spell.
Protection from Pragmatism for the enchanter that has thought about his role in life and Protection from Willy Nilliness for those that haven't.
More seriously, in practice the Law/Chaos axis doesn't really seem to matter that much either. While on rare occasion it is in use, I have never seen it affect a character's enchantment spells.
I do agree that staying away from good and evil is very advantageous for a dedicated enchanter.
Why isn't there an official "Protection from Neutral" spell anyways?
Is it because such a spell would offer protection from 5 alignments, instead of 3?
Neutral is indeed the optimal enchanter alignment, barring extremely weird party dynamics.That means of course there are effective barriers to your behavior. You can't afford to get too rapacious or selfish, or you're going to wind up on the evil side of the table.
Or too altruistic or compassionate.
Speaking of the spells that are blocked by the Protection from ... line of spells, Charm person/monster, Dominate person/monster, Hold person/monster, Suggestion, Irresistible dance, are pretty good.
Essentially a first level spell can shut down 70% of a school of magic unless the caster is neutral/neutral.
At that point he has no problem.That some class has alignment restriction has no effect if you want to be an enchanter. The only possible exception is a cleric that want to specialize in enchantments, but their spell list is way les powerful that that of the wizard/sorcerer in that regard.
Amended, as Pupsocket is right.
Protection From Evil: Does this work against all charm and compulsion effects? Or just against charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as charm person, command, and dominate person (and thus not effects like sleep or confusion, as the caster does not have ongoing influence or puppet-like control of the target)?The latter interpretation is correct: protection from evil only works on charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as command, charm person, and dominate person; it doesn't work on sleep or confusion. (Sleep is a border case for this issue, but the designers feel that "this spell overrides your brain's sleep centers" is different enough than "this spell overrides your resistance to commands from others.")
—Sean K Reynolds, 05/31/11
Still, Protection from [alignment] will stop 9th level spells (Dominate monster, probably not Hold monster mass) if the caster is non neutral, do nothing if he is neutral.
There is any reason not to be neutral if you want to make heavy use of enchantment spells?
neutral means you take a partial effect from every alignment effect
means you can't be smited
means you take negative levels from every aligned weapon
but enchantment spells, are useless against a lot of creature types to begin with
undead, constructs, and elementals are the main three.
Unless you're a divine caster, it doesn't matter. Wizards and Sorcerers and such have no reason to care what 'alignment' their spells are. A LG wizard can cast evil spells with no penalties, drawbacks, or repercussions.
Protection from Neutral would be equivalent to Endure: Room Temperature or Detect Indifference. It is the lack of an extreme.
I want detect indifference.
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What? It would be cool to ask "how indifferent is he?"
And see how someone describes the amount of not.
