Mulgar |
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All I know is that my children and other younger players haven't ran through against the giants, or the pharoah series, or the temple of elemental evil. They haven't done many of these but they have played some of paizo's homages to them.
And I have a feeling in 30 years time those younger players will be setting around saying the same things about some of paizo's classic adventures vs the new stuff.
All I know is I'm stoked to be able to have my kids play giantslayer so they can have a similar set of experiences as I had all those years ago.
Lord Snow |
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Well, that would be only the 53829th campaign about stopping an army of monstrous creatures published so far for D&D. Not counting other fantasy RPG games. I mean, maybe if this campaign was about playing an orc tribe and getting to pillage, burn and rape innocent villagers, I could get interested. Otherwise, not much.
While nothing in this AP excites me very much so far from what I've heard, Pazio is exceedingly good at taking "classic D&D" concepts and making devilishly good APs out of them - see Rise of the Runelords and Shattered Stars. When they are not busy experimenting (which sometimes leads to awesome stuff like Reign of Winter), Pazio knows to deliver perfect executions of good ol' fashioned stories. Since I am too young to have gone through against the giants, I don't mind seeing this kind of AP.
Barachiel Shina |
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For the record, Hells Rebels looks cool. Classic Golarion themes, canon heavy, so many loose lore threads to tie up. Also, a ball.
Giantslayer, on the other hands, sounds like a forced effort to placate all those ultra-conservatives who are throwing their arms up because Iron Gods. I fully expect stuff like "this 10 by 20 room has 3d6 frost giants and 1d6 t-rexes".
And I am and will be a vehement enemy of fiction in APs. ;)
Or it could be something along the lines of the extremely popular "Attack on Titan" anime. Or that movie "Jack the Giant Slayer". Or a mix of the two. I mean, I know many players who love the idea of tackling multiple humungous creatures because it's cool and fun.
Mechalibur |
Gorbacz wrote:Or it could be something along the lines of the extremely popular "Attack on Titan" anime. Or that movie "Jack the Giant Slayer". Or a mix of the two. I mean, I know many players who love the idea of tackling multiple humungous creatures because it's cool and fun.For the record, Hells Rebels looks cool. Classic Golarion themes, canon heavy, so many loose lore threads to tie up. Also, a ball.
Giantslayer, on the other hands, sounds like a forced effort to placate all those ultra-conservatives who are throwing their arms up because Iron Gods. I fully expect stuff like "this 10 by 20 room has 3d6 frost giants and 1d6 t-rexes".
And I am and will be a vehement enemy of fiction in APs. ;)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Heroes love slaying giants :)
Zaister |
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Of course, I won't cancel my sub because I can always scavenge the AP for statblocks, maps, monsters and support articles. The beauty of Paizo APs is that you can always use the content even if the AP itself is not to your tastes.
Somehow I find it funny to see you complaining, with you being the one that usually makes fun of other people's complaining about APs :)
Gorbacz |
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Gorbacz wrote:Of course, I won't cancel my sub because I can always scavenge the AP for statblocks, maps, monsters and support articles. The beauty of Paizo APs is that you can always use the content even if the AP itself is not to your tastes.Somehow I find it funny to see you complaining, with you being the one that usually makes fun of other people's complaining about APs :)
They can make fun of me, no probs.
Of course, they won't be as funny ;)
Benjamin Milarch |
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Dear Paizo:
Please say you'll make a miniatures line. I would buy two cases of miniatures thematically based on Orcs and Giants. Those monsters have to be some of the broadest-spanning iconic foes for the fantasy RPG.
Furthermore, any group utilizing Enlarge Person or Righteous Might always needs large and huge figures to represent their beefed-up meat shields.
Finally. As a GM I love to give things like giants class levels, as it totally revamps encounters. If this is the thrust of the thrust of the Monster Codex, a companion miniatures line would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for making products we love! (ipso facto, thanks for being sticklers for quality)
Ben
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Odraude wrote:ORCS WITH AXES! DESTROYING MY PRECIOUS ROBOTZ WITH LAZORS!!! I'M ABOUT TO FAINT, YOU BRUTAL TOLKIENISTS!!!Man, sure are a lot of people channeling Sincubus in here :p
AP seems like it'll be interesting but I'd like to know more about it.
You've been drinking Set's potions again, haven't you, Bagsy? ;P
Mikaze |
I wonder how well an Orc PC would fit into this adventure...
:)
Check out the Trunau entry in Towns of the Inner Sea.
Do take note of the first impression that would seem to imply "no", but then take a closer look, specifically at Halgra of the Black Blades.
And that's just one possible hook. :)
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Liath Samathran |
Sounds Like an AP to play Paladin in…. what power can I trade for detect evil, I won't NEED that ability.
Might I interest you in the Redeemer's path? It has roots amongst half-orcs, I believe.
Pendagast |
Pendagast wrote:Sounds Like an AP to play Paladin in…. what power can I trade for detect evil, I won't NEED that ability.Might I interest you in the Redeemer's path? It has roots amongst half-orcs, I believe.
Im thinking more along the lines of a human with the racial heritage feat who picks up power attack, cleave and all the goblin/orc/giant related feat string.
It'd almost be better as a mobile fighter, with dodge, mobility, running around with panther style and triggering AoOs and then bounce off of that for the dwarf racial feats.
Crowd control? who needs crowd control? what crowd? I just ran by them all, and then fell over.
Ive always wanted to build that character.
would make a good dwarven emissary too.
I was just thinking paladin because everything is going to be evil, lol
Rysky |
Liath Samathran wrote:Pendagast wrote:Sounds Like an AP to play Paladin in…. what power can I trade for detect evil, I won't NEED that ability.Might I interest you in the Redeemer's path? It has roots amongst half-orcs, I believe.Im thinking more along the lines of a human with the racial heritage feat who picks up power attack, cleave and all the goblin/orc/giant related feat string.
It'd almost be better as a mobile fighter, with dodge, mobility, running around with panther style and triggering AoOs and then bounce off of that for the dwarf racial feats.
Crowd control? who needs crowd control? what crowd? I just ran by them all, and then fell over.
Ive always wanted to build that character.
would make a good dwarven emissary too.
I was just thinking paladin because everything is going to be evil, lol
And you come to that conclusion, how?
Pendagast |
Pendagast wrote:And you come to that conclusion, how?Liath Samathran wrote:Pendagast wrote:Sounds Like an AP to play Paladin in…. what power can I trade for detect evil, I won't NEED that ability.Might I interest you in the Redeemer's path? It has roots amongst half-orcs, I believe.Im thinking more along the lines of a human with the racial heritage feat who picks up power attack, cleave and all the goblin/orc/giant related feat string.
It'd almost be better as a mobile fighter, with dodge, mobility, running around with panther style and triggering AoOs and then bounce off of that for the dwarf racial feats.
Crowd control? who needs crowd control? what crowd? I just ran by them all, and then fell over.
Ive always wanted to build that character.
would make a good dwarven emissary too.
I was just thinking paladin because everything is going to be evil, lol
there aren't very many grey areas in a classically themed bad guy, giants want to take over the world AP. Hence it's appeal to some.
Vs. a campaign like Iron Gods where a lot of the talents of the Paladin aren't going to be constantly handy against robots, they will be almost always so, in an AP with marauding orcs slaying villagers and giants bent on world domination.
If they were benevolent good aligned giants, there wouldn't be an AP.
Rysky |
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Rysky wrote:Pendagast wrote:And you come to that conclusion, how?Liath Samathran wrote:Pendagast wrote:Sounds Like an AP to play Paladin in…. what power can I trade for detect evil, I won't NEED that ability.Might I interest you in the Redeemer's path? It has roots amongst half-orcs, I believe.Im thinking more along the lines of a human with the racial heritage feat who picks up power attack, cleave and all the goblin/orc/giant related feat string.
It'd almost be better as a mobile fighter, with dodge, mobility, running around with panther style and triggering AoOs and then bounce off of that for the dwarf racial feats.
Crowd control? who needs crowd control? what crowd? I just ran by them all, and then fell over.
Ive always wanted to build that character.
would make a good dwarven emissary too.
I was just thinking paladin because everything is going to be evil, lolthere aren't very many grey areas in a classically themed bad guy, giants want to take over the world AP. Hence it's appeal to some.
Vs. a campaign like Iron Gods where a lot of the talents of the Paladin aren't going to be constantly handy against robots, they will be almost always so, in an AP with marauding orcs slaying villagers and giants bent on world domination.
If they were benevolent good aligned giants, there wouldn't be an AP.
Even in a classically themed AP I highly doubt Paizo will give players Carte Blanche to play murderhobos, they have a little bit more tact than that.
Kvantum |
Harsk is a must (giants). Either Imrijka or Oloch for the Orcish tie. Alain since it's war-related? Then we need arcane. Maybe debut Enora to cover arcane duties, though I suppose you could make a case for any of the other now seven options, Ezren, Seoni, Feiya, Damiel, Seltiyel, Balazar, or even Lem.
Cthulhudrew |
Instead of asking the same bothersome (lol) question of who the iconics are for this AP.I just want to know who the new iconic is. The one that hasn't been in an adventure path yet. If anyone knows :)
It's got to be Kess. An AP about Giantslaying is just begging for a picture of her using Awesome Blow to knock a 20 foot tall Cloud Giant off its feet.
Rysky |
Nick O'Connell wrote:Instead of asking the same bothersome (lol) question of who the iconics are for this AP.I just want to know who the new iconic is. The one that hasn't been in an adventure path yet. If anyone knows :)It's got to be Kess. An AP about Giantslaying is just begging for a picture of her using Awesome Blow to knock a 20 foot tall Cloud Giant off its feet.
Don't forget suplexing!
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Axial wrote:I wonder how well an Orc PC would fit into this adventure...:)
** spoiler omitted **
Not sure if this is spoilish or not but...
620 humans, 50 halflings, 40 half-orcs, 20 dwarves, 15 half-elves, 10 gnomes, 25 other.
So twice as many Haf-Orcs as Dwarves. And 25 possible Special Snowflakes, at least one of which I'm guessing could be a full-blooded Orc.
RuyanVe |
Turin the Mad wrote:I *really* hope that Giantslayer ends up dealing with the Runelord of Gluttony, Zutha. ^_____^Repeating what was said at Paizocon and Gencon, No Runelords in Giantslayer.
I'm sure somebody will come up with some fan-made tie-in! Otherwise, there's always the Continuing the Campaign part where this could fit in.
Oh, and add Svathurim to the fun!
Ruyan.
Azmyth |
Congratulations to Pat Renie for getting his break into the AP Authors Club!
I was pleased with 'Wardens' and I'm anxious to see what you do with this one!
No pressure.
Don't F it up my friend!
The last time we hung out in SF, I told you that we needed to find a good excuse to have you as a guest on the podcast. [Achievement Unlocked]
Adam Daigle Developer |
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Can't wait! I've been looking forward to this one.
FWIW, Iron Gods is awesome as well. However, I think those bemoaning a return to "classic" tropes are forgetting - or perhaps ignoring - that for players new to the hobby these aren't "classic", they're new. I run a campaign for a bunch of 14-yr olds and none of them have heard of, much less played, Against the Giants.
And given my newfound love of orc-slaying thanks to Shadows of Mordor, hell yeah, bring on the orcs. (Tolkein or otherwise.)
Robert G. McCreary Senior Developer |
Turin the Mad |
zergtitan wrote:Turin the Mad wrote:I *really* hope that Giantslayer ends up dealing with the Runelord of Gluttony, Zutha. ^_____^Repeating what was said at Paizocon and Gencon, No Runelords in Giantslayer.I'm sure somebody will come up with some fan-made tie-in! Otherwise, there's always the Continuing the Campaign part where this could fit in.
Oh, and add Svathurim to the fun!
Ruyan.
The "continuing the campaign" is my guess at this point. Zutha, to me, has the most currently interesting method of coming back from being very dead of all the Runelords. Namely, "those gullible Muppets!" (PCs) could/should be the very reason for his return.
Hrmmmmm ....
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Taffy |
My group and I are very stoked for this AP. We're wrapping up Carrion Crown (it has only taken us 3 years come January, which is about when we will wrap it up most likely) and can probably jump right into Giantslayer!
We are exactly the same. Started Carrion Crown just before my Third daughter was born, she is now nearly 2 and a half. We play once a month and have just started book 6, so looking at finishing in Feb
My eldest daughter is very keen to play and Giantslayer path looks like a good intro to roleplaying for her. She will be 9 and a half by the time we start and going on carrion crown experience, 12 and a half when we finish (that is a scary thought)
Of course it depends on what my group wants to play
Taffy