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Concerro and Dabbler

You are correct in that Fob does not quailfy for further feats. That is not what I am asking about. I am trying to understand the mechanic of two weapon fighting feat chain as opposed to the Monk's FoB. I think my view point is what the devs had originally intended but I could be wrong.

A monk can use Unarmed strikes in combination with a monk proficient weapon with Flurry of Blows as written on page 57 of the corebook. What is debated: Can the Fob be done with only one melee weapon? My instincts and the examples I gave above seems to indicate that at best a monk can only use half of the flurry with only one melee weapon and the rest with any conbination allowed within the attack chain.

My Appologies if I am not communicating this correctly.

Recently there has been much debate over what Flurry of Blows can and can not do and whether or not it is Two Weapon Fighting.

Lets begin with any non monk class character with TWF feats that has 7 attacks granted to the character wielding a sword in the primary attack hand and a dagger in the Secondary attack hand.

The attack options are four attacks with the Primary hand and Three Attacks with the Secondary hand. For this character then the options are as follows:

Primary Attack four times with the Sword or four times with an unarmed attack (fist) and Secondarry Attack three times with the Dagger or three times with an unarmed attack (fist).

Now give the same set to the Monk with Sword, Dagger and Flurry of Blows with seven attacks the Options are as follows:

Primary attack four times with Sword and none with Unarmed Strike
Primary attack three times with Sword and one whith Unarmed Strike
Primary attack two times with Sword and two with Unarmed Strike
Primary attack one time with Sword and three with Unarmed Strike
Primary attack none with Sword and four times with Unarmed Strike

Secondary attack three times with Dagger and none with Unarmed Strike
Secondary attack two times with Dagger and one with Unarmed Strike
Secondary attack one time with Dagger and two with unarmed Strike
Secondary attack none with Dagger and three with Unarmed Strike

From the above examples Flurry allows the Monk to use weapon and non weapon attacks in combination within the Primary and Seconday attack chains. While two weapon fighting limits the Attack as either with the weapon or unarmed for the attack chains.

If this is how the Devs wanted the Flurry to work than Flurry with a Single Armed weapon is not possible for all attacks. At best the Flurry can yield all primary attacks with a single armed weapon.

Granted two exceptions are permissable for the Monk:

All Flurry attacks are unarmed Strikes.
All Flurry Attacks are with the Shuriken provided the monk has enough ammo available.

This explains the wording of " as if using two weapon fighting feat" and clarifies the " attack in any combination" use in the corebook.

If I am completely wrong about how TWF and how FoB is supposed to work then please post and help me to see what the errors are.

As mentioned above item slot for pants/skirts/kilts

Reworking the crafting rules similar to the "Making craft work" by Spes Magna Games.

item creation examples for non standard slot items Robe of armor (bracer of armor); belt of spell storing etc.

Flesh out item slots like the torso with more options like an enchatable cloth shirt.

special abilites for wondrous items only.

And finaly more mundane alchemical items that can be created with craft alchemy skill that do not need item creation feats.

Great file. I have only found one glaring error though. The Eldritch heritage feats in the file credit the original text as from the Advanced players guide. These feats were introduced in the Ultimate magic book. Otherwise this gives me and my group more options for character flavor.

Thanks Owen for you and the rest of SGG for all your hard work.