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The APG is really close, and most people already have a good idea how the new class will be. But maybe some of you also have some character ideas that none of the current or imminent classes can bring to life. Só let's share it with the world.

Psionic monk: I am still waiting for psionic support, but what i miss more is a monk/caster hybrid. I would like more a psionic monk. But a divine monk would be cool.

Philosopher: I started with OD&D and i still miss a cleric of law, neutrality or chaos. But many people ask for a godless clerical, it could be a philosopher who worship philosophies. It could be a archetype, but i really miss it.

Rogue/Illusionist Hybrid: I know we have the arcane trickster, but people who could remember the Bluehand from Ad&d miss what the ninja really should be.

Magic item crafter: An alchemist is not an artificer. I still miss it.

Capoeirist (brawler/bard hybrid): Again it could be an archetype, but the character who mix dance with martial arts (and a bit of witchcraft or shamanism) would be fun.

Arcane NPC class: Now that we have retraining rules, it would be fun to have an apprentice class that could be retrained later for GMs who like to do before we became adventurers campaing.

These were mine, what could be more ?

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Peet wrote:

Some people on this thread have listed various gods as having various ethnicities. I don't think this is really accurate.

Aroden, Iomedae, Norgorber, and Cayden Caylien all were once human and passed the test of the starstone to become immortal. So they have a definite ethnicity.

The older gods, though, like Pharasma, Sarenrae, Gozreh, etc. all predate humans. They are not and have never been human beings and if they choose to reveal themselves in human form they can do so in any form they like. So they should not be seen as having a specific ethnicity.

People of any given culture will probably portray these gods as people belonging to their culture. So to a Keleshite, Sarenrae will be envisioned as a Keleshite, whereas to a Mwangi Sarenrae will be portrayed as a Mwangi.

If you have a Mwangi or Garundi character he or she should feel free to revere any of these older gods in their "dark-skinned" aspect. They can even get into arguments with northern clerics about whether or not the god is actually black.

For the record, I think Sarenrae would make a very striking black goddess.

The problem is. The art show them all as european looking. Even Gozreh who is a elemental being have a european nose and lips. There is no art showing their "mwangi" or anything other aspects. So it's hard to see the black divinity in them.

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The Might and Magic series also have a setting where a fantasy world was built atop a sci-fi universe in disguise.

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sylvansteel wrote:

In Sargava The lost Colony it´s noted, that Mwawangi often depict the gods brought by the colonists as Mwangi, for example iomeda as a tribeswoman, and in Dragon empires Primer several of the main gods are said to be depicted as Tien.

Every culture has an own depiction of the gods, Gods of the inner Sea just shows how they are mainly depicted in central Avistan.

The problem of that is the art. Paizo can't afford to do all the gods for all ethnicities, so to have art for a black god, we would need a full black cultural god. As mister Mona said, opportunities were lost.

Erik Mona wrote:
To be perfectly honest there are not enough of them in the setting right now, and the ones that ought to have Garundi features ended up a goth woman with white hair, a fey-looking white dude with half a face, and a nature spirit with a pretty inhuman form.

Sorry, but both Gozreh forms are very caucasian. Because Yoruba pantheon is still worshiped in Brazil, i have seen a lot of elemental forms of the Orishas in art and african-looking elemental spirits are very different.

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Thank You...

I don't know why Paizo hasn't put a collection of all the Venture Captain's pics in a file for GM prep.

Have wondered this before myself, would love a picture resource of:

Venture Captains
Golarion/Absalom Maps (I found these myself)
Very Noteworthy figures (ie those who are at the centre of season long arcs, and probably the entire blackros family!)

More then that, i have wondered why Paizo never made a Face Deck with portraits from Pathfinder Society. We already have plenty of recurring NPCs that having handy card would be cool.

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I have been asking this for a long time. Not only i miss black/african gods, but black/african outsiders creatures, like angels, archons, demons etc...

I know about red or golden skin, but skin colors means very little to etchinicity. Most human face creatures have european features. Not asking for a a complete revamp, just some celestial or gods appearing from time to time to prove they exist but just aren't appearing in Avistan.

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I want an AP where we help the new Iconic Jirelle in her fight against her mother and the Bloodcrow.

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In case someone want to do a parallel evil twin version of Golarion, how would that be ?

It would have the Worldheal, the spearhead of heaven to heal the world but there are a unhloy crusade of antipaladins to stop them ?

The House Thrune would be free thinkers revolutionaries that freed Cheliax ?
The 7 runelords of virtues are sleeping until the time they are needed to help the world ?
Irrisen would be the land of eternal summer ?
The evil elf invaders from another world are battling the good empyreal lord Treegrower ?
The peaceful orcs are slaved by the evil humans of Lastjail ?
The level headed people of Galt, have magical sickbeds that keep their nobles from dieing and going in the after life ?
Andoran is a place of republican tyranny and the fake democracy ?
Ustalav is the realm of the classic fairytales ? The civilized people of Numeria are being devolved by a spiritual mountain that raised from the ground ?

How would your evil Golarion be ?

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If i knew i would live for over 1000 years, i would certainly take my time finishing college.

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Each of us can create his own world and populate it with any cultures you want or possible skin color you want. The problem is only the message you would pass to a possible black or other skin color real world person you call you invite to play with. They would be hurt ? You would care ? Or you would never invite a black player to your table ? This is the real problem.

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Forget the spoilers. Now i am impressed by how James Jacobs got thin. Looks like he was level drained by a wight swarm. Congratulations !

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Here in Brazil we have a RPG setting called Desafio dos Bandeirantes (Challenge of the Bannerman or something alike), it is a fantasy version of colonial Brazil that used the brazilian ethnicies as character races. Literally we had white, indian, black, half-indian, half-black and tri-racial. The blacks had to be slaves or freed-slaves, and despite it, it offered more variable roles and importance to blacks than most USA-made RPGs that don't enforce blacks as slaves but still barelly show them at all.
And i can tell for sure that Brazil is a white country as much as USA is. African-brazilian are a minority, and most are poor as much as in USA. The difference is cultural acception. Most Brazilian accept the black culture as part of mainstream culture, and no one would find strange african cultural elements showing up in fantasy or sci-fy or anything. We are one people, made from 3 roots, European, African and Native American (and the people who came after, like the Asians, are already part of us). It's very hard for me to understand why you reject part of your people not accepting non-white elements in fantasy, but i do. But keeping doing it will only hurt you in the future.

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I find hilarious is how linguistics is about a lot of different skills. A Half-orc Barbarian randomly picked 2 ranks of linguistics to learn how to swear at dragons and giants and somehow now he is the group designated lawyer, because he is better at reading legal documents than anyone in the group.

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I am more interested in the Garund Gods book. Still waiting for dark skinned gods.

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Hey, they have a godess that walk around naked in all her pics. Urganthoa surely is oversexualized.

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The Rot Grub wrote:

It's not clear to me what itch this is scratching. If I want monsters, I have the Bestiaries. If I want to customize monsters, I can add class levels and use the feats available to PCs. If I want ecologies, I can go to the Pathfinder "Revisited" line. If I want the option of having monsters as PCs, I can use the Advanced Race Guide.

What am I not "getting" here? Maybe if some specific examples are elaborated, I could see the usefulness of this.

They are ready. And after that they will be published in the SRD and Paizo can gain space in adventures simply linking to their online stats.

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Demigods of the Inner Sea, this wound sound nice for a Player Companion follow-up of Inner Sea Gods.

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The book has so much mechanic content that they could call it Ultimate Faith.

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Male Elf - Alchemist
Female Elf - Rogue

Male Half-Orc - Warpriest ?
Female Half-Orc - Inquisitor

Male Dwarf - Ranger
Female Dwarf - None

Male Gnome - Summoner
Female Gnome - Druid

Male Halfling - Bard
Female Halfling - None

Male Half-Elf - Magus
Female Half-Elf - Gunslinger

Humans :

Barbarian (Kellid)
Sorcerer (Varisian)
Fighter (Andoran)
Wizard (Taldan ?)
Cleric (Kellishite)
Paladin (Mwangi)
Monk (Vuldran)
Cavalier (Taldan)
Oracle (Garundi)
Witch (Tian)
Ninja (Tian)
Samurai (Tian)

Missing Human Ethnicity:

- Ulfen, Shoanti, Chelaxian, Erutaki, Jadwiga.

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Technology is the magic of order and magic is the technology of chaos ?

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
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Now i want a Champions of Order, Champions of Madness, and a Champions of Non-commitment books.
Champions of Meh?

Hey, the people on the couch need champions too.

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Now i want a Champions of Order, Champions of Madness, and a Champions of Non-commitment books.

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This would help my Phantasy Star campaing taking off, now i only need stats for a diamond armor, and deep-dungeon-candy-stores.

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Mythic Adventure Path idea: The Norse Pantheon finds Golarion and tries to influence the Lands of Linnorm Kings by force, and the adventurers have to stop them before a godswar start.

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I hope now Paizo perceive how much a On Hallowed Ground type book is wanted by everyone. Setting gods are cool, but real world gods have a lot more impact and relevance. i loved Planescape because of that.

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The way i use summoners in my campaing can be resumed in only one word: PERSONA !

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Haladir wrote:

Please-- let's shy away from using real-world religions in this discussion!

That way lies flame wars and moderator intervention!

This means we can´t talk about Lamashtu, Pazuzu, or Tiamat in this thread ? Or this limitations is only for religions worshiped in USA ?

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There are a lot of Brazilian legends, myhtology and folklore that could never have been translated to english. This is just the start of a really long text that have appeared on brazillian RPG communities:

ALAMOA - female fey from the island of Fernando de Noronha .

Lives in the peak and wander by its surroundings, observing everything that happens on the island . According to the myth, on fridays the stone peak splits and she appears as a bright light or a Will O Wisp. Protective of wildlife, she appears for fishermen that fish too much and hunters for sport in the form of a beautiful and naked woman, but when they approach, becomes a skeleton, making them mad.
The former inmates of the prison on the island of Fernando de Noronha told that on the eve of storms , often at midnight ,she appeared on the beach as a beautiful naked woman, with long blond hair and dancing to the sound of waves, illuminated by the lightning. Her feet were not touching the ground, but floating in the sand. It was Alamoa , feminine form of Alemão ( German in portuguese), because according to popular interpretation, a blonde woman in these parts could only be German.
Her shape varies. Sometimes she is a bright, multicolored light, sometimes attracts and seduces men. Those who succumb to his charms see it turn into a skeleton. For some it is a lost soul , looking for a strong man to help her unearth a hidden treasure.

The stone peak its her lair. On some nights , the stone splits, opening a door where a light goes out. The beautiful Alamoa dances, attracting its prey. Those who enter her lair as soon realize with horror the terrible transformation. Her beautiful bright eyes become two holes and she is seen as a gruesome skull. So, the gap closes and the poor man is never seen again. His screams of fright, however, still resonate across the place for many days.
It is characterized as a convergence of several legends of mermaids and Iaras. The theme of the supernatural woman who attracts and seduces men, becoming fell, is common and recurrent in the popular imagination , and therefore impossible to accurately determine its origin .

AMANA - MANHÃ - Mother Goddess of Rain and protector of springs. Has the shape of a frog and you can hear her sing when it rains . Live at the headwaters of the river Negro.

AMAO - Spirit of Rio Negro. Camanaos taught the indigenous process of making cassava bread , cassava flour , tapioca flour and various other things .

Divine character that taught indigenous camanaos , river Negro, Amazonas, the process of making cassava bread , cassava flour , tapioca flour and various other things . Then disappeared forever.

Brandão de Amorim heard the legend :
" At the beginning of the world , have appeared among other creatures a pretty girl . Did not know of man , her name was Amao . Once upon a afternoon, Amao went to the river , there sat . At the same time passed by her a cluster of fish, their scales, as told, actually shine. She reached into the river, caught a fish. The fish made ​​it tight in her hand, jumped straight in her shell , pierced it, then made ​​the jump into the river. Since then his Soul Patch was growing when he reached maturity of its moon , she had a boy .

The child already had two moons , when his mother was netting fish from the head of the stream . She left the boy lying on a stone. It was noon, Amao stood up, went to see the boy , found him already dead .

Carried his body was, wept in the night, when the sun came up , the boy spoke thus :
-My mother, notice how animals and birds are laughing at us. They frightened me to death. Now, do not let them scoff at you, smokes them with resin to turn them to stone. He only spoke so.
At the afternoon, Amao buried his son and at midnight all animals turned to stone. In the morning , as i was told, cururu , piping guan , shaman bird, and otter, were already transformed into stone . Big Snake , streak , Taiaçu , tapir only were not turned to stone because they were eating to the bedside of the river. Amao flew straight to the head of the stream, went on the top of a large stone, and there he found Taiaçu and Tapir sleeping. Amao beat Tapir first, then beat Taiaçu, both died. After that, she slashed open Tapir and Taiaçu , threw their meat at the river, leting alone a thigh from tapir, another from Taiaçu upon the stone, then turned them to stone. As the big snake, and the ray were still eating at the bottom of the water, she made a loop in the river to grab them. At night she heard something hitting the tie, gone to see and found the big snake with ray. He covered them with resin, turned them to stone immediately.

After that, she returned to teach all jobs to the people of her land.
Sat near an oven and showed her people how to make flour, tapioca flour, beiju and lots of things . After teaching all Amao gone up from this land, nobody knows where she went! "

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So this mean we will never have a Clowns of Golarion book ?

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It a setting prerogative that casting [evil] spells is a evil act. You don't know if every time a devil is summoned a baby unicorn don't die somewhere. We don't know why, itś simply evil.

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Blood of the Stars: Alien races content
Blood of the Past: Primitive/Throwbacks racial options
Blood of the Royalty: Exclusive bloodlines of noble families that give divine mandate
Blood of the Atom: Mutants and weird bloodlines
Blood of the Magic: Magical families with unique traditions
Blood of the Raven: Tengus for everyone.

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I only let players consider making characters after the last part get out. Paizo makes a great work uniting everything, but some GMs, like me, need a whole view before deciding what would work for his group.

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Axial wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
I'm quite interested what the book does with Nocticula.
Hey, Manguskn...maybe Deskari can actually kill your players. Who knows? :)

I wanted magnuskn players character sheets to make them the last bosses of my campaing. They come from a parallel Golarion to destroy our Golarion because we are too weak.

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The All Seeing Eye wrote:

That said, I think for my part the issue here is some people may be offended by *insert notion here* and them being offended or having issue is not *wrong*. Folks may not agree, folks may not have had that experience, but it doesn't make people *wrong*. Feelings aren't *wrong*. Actions on feeling can be. Some notions you come to based on feeling can be.

But if anyone, regarldess of who or what they are (a red martian 5 gendered...

The problem is not acknowlegding other cultures, manners of thinking and diferent philosofies. To me racism is a cousin of nationalism. If this forum is open to the wide world, lets respect other people idiossincrasies too.

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ABCoLD wrote:


I think this makes Draco's rather silly point is somewhat valid. To claim misogyny would require Sirti to have displayed a disregard for the opinions of all women or at least all women who preferred to not have women displayed this way.

My silly point don't come from nowhere. Many women in Brazil claim that north america "feminism" is too prude and robs the right of women to be feminine. I might not be the best informed person about this dispute, but many women i've talked about the issue said that rumor is based on true info. I don't want to claim that i am right, i only wanted to register that such notion is not universally accepted and there is still discussion about it, even if it's only outside of USA.

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Jessica Price wrote:


You can say you use the word differently, but that doesn't really matter. Words have history and connotation, and the fact that you may not want to invoke that history doesn't mean that it's not there when you use a word. For example, if you say that something an African-American said to you made you mad enough to lynch him, it doesn't really matter whether you just meant "strangle." The word in that context has racist overtones that don't go away just because you say they weren't intentional.

I guess you would be really surprised how much you North Americans casually say things to that effect without knowing. This is a big world.

Jessica Price wrote:

I'm unclear what you mean here, but it's irrelevant. The point is, you're talking about the portrayal of female characters, and describing people who protest at how they're portrayed as "uppity." That has some deeply misogynistic overtones, suggesting that if women object to how women are portrayed, they're getting above themselves.

On the contrary, women have every right to opinions, and commentary, on how female characters are...

There are many types of man and many types of woman. I heard many women using the same term to describe the same situation. Who has the right to say who is right ? Claiming automatic misogyny for that could be considered misandry.

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As a Brazilian from Bahia, i cant understand how you manage to dress with so many cloth. Even Seoni, Amiri and Sanjan attire seems unconfortable and "hot". That said, Seoni choice of lack of "cover" is unusual even for our tastes

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I guess we are looking at it wrong. Let's take the starcraft setting. We have humans with technology, zergs with biotechnology and the Protoss with a psionic enhanced technology.

We could say that if Golarion appeared on the starcraft universe, they would be masters of magic "technology" and divine "technology". The Zergs are a good exemple that the technology way don't mean automatic better. We already have a "tech" outsider in the form of inevitables, maybe demons just think technology is too lawful.

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Even today there is parts of Earth without processed water or eletricity. We are not there yet also.

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I was thinking about the differences between brazilian fantasy settings and north hemisphere fantasy settings and what i heard from other cultures. I became curious about what changes do you make to better accomodate the cultural assumptions of the setting and the expectations of your players. Maybe US americans don't need any changes but there is a plenty of people from other cultures on these boards.

This is what i do in my own campaing to better accomodate brazilian (from Bahia) players:

1- The sun rises 06:00 AM and goes down 18:00 PM, even in winter. Nothing changes too much between our seasons (we are too close to equador) so we failed a long time to notice that happen different elsewhere.

2- People go to the beach for fun in the summer, anywhere. Being too cold to take a bath at the sea is strange to us, so people thought was strange that Sandpoint dump was at the beach.

3- People drink cachaça, and eat beans with rice. I don't know what a ale is, or what people eated in medieval times beside meat. So people eat more like brazilians in my campaings.

4- Guards and city folk are a lot more weirded by strangers walking around with weapons. So people expect to have to hide weapons a lot more.

5- Cheliax sound more like Spain, Andoren more Portugal, Taldor more Italy, Nirmathas more Netherlands, etc... because we are closer to that cultures.

6- There are fewer religious conflicts and people are more accepting of any religions and temples of multiple interpretations of the same god are more commmon. Like Sandpoint Cathedral.

7- Not oriental Martial Arts are common among peasants (the mwangi brought capoeira to Avistan) .

8- People are expected to bath everyday.

9- There is a lot of mwangi immigrants everywhere and they broght their gods to be worshiped in Avistan.

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I don't know if Amenopheus has it in him to deal with "familiar information broker", i am worried. Given Sczarni and Qadira participations, i guess he will have assistence.

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The same thing i wrote on the other thread, the problem with "mature" content is not that sex scenes are missed, the problem is the consequences os a PG world.
Remember the whole Calistrian sacred prostitute affair. Imagine if Paizo done an AP about The Tudors ? How to explain Anna Bolena affair ? Everyone is too judgamental of who is and who isn't lawful good. So i keep feeling limited by what plotlines can came from Paizo. It started very well in Rise of the Runelords and the mature content is slowly degrading into D&D norms again (the exception is violence).

I don't think even if Paizo want, she could change it. Pathfinder RPG gone too mainstream, too much too risk.

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DrDeth wrote:

I find too much violence, sex, torture etc to be the opposite of “mature’. You’ll find in games with older professional adults, this sort of thing is not dwelled upon. I mean, if it’s necessary, it’s necessary “Ok, I cut his throat.”= sure, but describing the cut, the blood and his screams are not.

“Dark & gritty” is so passé.

The maturity in that, at least in my culture point of view, is that you are accepting that such things are a fact of life and that someday you might have to face it in real life and no one will be there to protect you.

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I was told that in USA, couples have separate bank accounts and is not expected for the husband to give control of his money to his wife. Here in Brazil, the custom is that for a couple to have a joint account, so the woman control everything. So we are slaves. Please free us.

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And about Tantric Magic ? Anyone remember Fortunato from the Wild Cards universe ?

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Aranna wrote:

~imagines a boy and girl sitting down together and opening up a rulebook~

"what are we supposed to do next?"

:)

This is not what the Kama Sutra is about ?

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Yeah, sex is a fact of life, but is a lot more fun doing than gaming about it. But what i miss more about sex in RPG is all the things people do just to get sex. The world feels bland without the escapades of the duke and the duchess hiring the adventurers to follow her husband. Or flirting at the tavern, or the passions of evil (necrophillia and worst subjects), or how Rumiko Takahashi put "Pepople do really crazy things when they are in love." You don't even need to have sex scenes for sex, love and passion have a huge impact in the world.

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thejeff wrote:


Of course it does. That's why the combat sports stay segregated, just like other sports. It's also why most of the unarmed combat sports have weight classes as well.

I allways thought that men were afraid of losing face when they lost to women, so they segregated sports. I am a big guy, practiced martial arts for a big period of my life and had to fight women and i learned to fear them the same.

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