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Applicable Knowledge says you can get any one feat.
I see posts going back and forth about it ignoring prerequisites. Or that you can take the feat, but can't use it unless you have the prerequisites - which seems like some justification for not letting one use a feat they can take; and not found in the rules.
I don't believe there's anything official saying "this means ANY feat" or "this means any feat you meet the prereqs for". However I can give you an answer on the debate about a feat you have but don't meet the pre-reqs for.
Feat prerequisites are not inclusive, as it is possible for a creature to have a feat without meeting that feat's prerequisites. For example, a ranger can select Precise Shot as a ranger bonus feat without having the Point Blank Shot feat; he does not meet the prerequisites for Far Shot (which has Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite) because he doesn't actually have the Point Blank Shot feat, even though he has a feat that lists Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite.
you also can gain a feat every odd level, any feat.
but you still need to get the requirements to gain it. same thing here. unless specifically called out to not require any requirement anytime you want to take a feat you must meet it's requirement, as this is a general rule for gaining feats and unless you have a specific rule to overcome it (like ranger combat feats etc) you must follow it.
there is a specific ruling that if you gain a feat with requirement but then lost them (say power attack and lost the minimum str from being sapped) you don't lose the feat, but can't use it (or any feat that require it) until you get back the feat's requirements.
but as i said this specific ability doesn't say you may ignore a feat's requirements so you don't get to pick one you are unqualified to take..
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unless specifically called out to not require any requirement anytime you want to take a feat you must meet it's requirement, as this is a general rule for gaining feats and unless you have a specific rule to overcome it (like ranger combat feats etc) you must follow it.
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but as i said this specific ability doesn't say you may ignore a feat's requirements so you don't get to pick one you are unqualified to take..
The thing is that the Loremaster ability doesn't just say "you gain a feat." It says "Any one feat." It's all about how you interpret the word "Any." It doesn't say "any feat that you qualify for" or "any feat whatsoever." Just "any." There is absolutely nothing else giving more context in the class description.
there is a specific ruling that if you gain a feat with requirement but then lost them (say power attack and lost the minimum str from being sapped) you don't lose the feat, but can't use it (or any feat that require it) until you get back the feat's requirements.
I used to believe a version of this to be true, but now I can't find the text. Do you have that reference?
Unless what gives you the feat says it ignores prerequisites the rule that if you do not meet the prerequisite means you cannot use the feat still applies. So, even if the word Any allows you to take the feat, the character would not gain the benefit of the feat. The ranger bonus feat includes that language which is why they can gain the benefit of the feat even if they do not meet the prerequisites.
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Unless what gives you the feat says it ignores prerequisites the rule that if you do not meet the prerequisite means you cannot use the feat still applies.
Can you find this rules text? It seems to contradict the FAQ I quoted above
Feat prerequisites are not inclusive, as it is possible for a creature to have a feat without meeting that feat's prerequisites.
As for using a feat if you lack the pq, second paragraph under "Prerequisites" in the Feats chapter of the CRB:
"A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables."
So unless the source giving you the feat has an exception (say a ranger combat style) it looks to me that you cannot use a feat lacking PQs, even if you were somehow allowed to choose it.
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A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables.So unless the source giving you the feat has an exception (say a ranger combat style) it looks to me that you cannot use a feat lacking PQs, even if you were somehow allowed to choose it.
There it is. And actually the ranger ability does not say "you can use this feat" even though you lack the prerequisites it just says that you are allowed to choose it.
He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
The only way I can see to square those two statements, and taking into account the FAQ referenced above
Feat prerequisites are not inclusive, as it is possible for a creature to have a feat without meeting that feat's prerequisites. For example, a ranger can select Precise Shot as a ranger bonus feat without having the Point Blank Shot feat; he does not meet the prerequisites for Far Shot (which has Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite) because he doesn't actually have the Point Blank Shot feat, even though he has a feat that lists Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite.
is to say that if you get a feat in the normal manner (meeting prerequisites) then you lose it if you lose the prerequisites. But if you get the feat without having to meet the prerequisites in the first place you can use it no matter what.
... Which doesn't help resolve the matter of the Loremaster's "Any" feat. If any means "absolutely any" then you are clearly getting it without requiring prerequisites.
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I just realized I didn't actually give an opinion about the core question of whether or not "Any one feat" means any feat whether or not you have the prereqs. I actually have 3 answers, depending on the situation.
1) As a PFS player, I would only take a feat I met the pre-reqs for. My rule of thumb as a PFS player was not take any character option that might require me to argue with the GM about which of two or more legitimately possible interpretations was correct. Keep the game civil.
2) As a PFS GM, I would allow a player who had taken a feat using this ability without meeting prereqs to use it. As above, multiple interpretations are possible so keep the game civil.
3) As a home game GM, I would allow a player to take any feat without meeting prereqs. (Subject to a sanity check - if the feat allows you to fly faster using your wings, and you don't have wings, then no.) I mentioned in a recent thread that I've never seen anyone play a Loremaster because it's such a "blah" prestige class. Not so weak it's an automatic no, but it also doesn't really do anything unique. If this is a reason to play something unusual, then go for it!
With the Secret of Magic Discopline feat I think Loremaster is plenty fine, power wise.
Kinda funny, loremaster is one of three prestige classes that have been played at my table. Granted it was used by a conjuration wizard, so there's a ton of wiggle room before it's too weak.
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With the Secret of Magic Discopline feat I think Loremaster is plenty fine, power wise.
Kinda funny, loremaster is one of three prestige classes that have been played at my table. Granted it was used by a conjuration wizard, so there's a ton of wiggle room before it's too weak.
Yeah, I haven't really played PF1 much since Chronicle of Legends came out. Those feats made a whole lot prestige classes shinier.
Without that feat, it wasn't that Loremaster was weak, is is that it didn't really have anything special about it. The secrets basically duplicate things you could do with other feats. Should a wizard stop advancing and give up their wizard class bonus metamagic/item creation/arcane discovery feats for Dodge, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, etc.? Most people wouldn't want to. Even the bonus spell secrets aren't super useful given the level limitations. Loremaster was just kinda boring.
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The Ranger Combat Style has language saying you don't need the Feat prerequisite.
The Sorcerer Bloodlines have language saying you must have the Feat prerequisite.
The Chapter on Feats has language that says if you don't have the prerequisite you can't use the Feat even if it's on your character sheet.
The FAQ seems to say it's situational.
So,...
Loremast Secret of Applicable Knowledge?
Can a Loremaster use Lightning Stance? -- "If you take two actions to move or a withdraw action in a turn, you gain 50% concealment for one round."