How would you stat these?

[Voyd211]

Who here has played Bayonetta?

...not too many? Okay.

Anyway, how would you stat out the angels from that? They're highly non-standard angels in that they're explicitly holy, yet also explicitly evil. Are they evil creatures with the good subtype, or what?

I'll leave you with the most basic enemy in the game, the Affinity. You can make them bigger and stronger for Applauds and Ardors.

[Voyd211]

I suppose this thread kinda got lost in everything.

[Stepchild of the Sun]

I would base the Affinity off of Hound Archons, Braliani Azatas, or Avoral Agathions. Alternatively, Erinyes Devils might give you some ideas also. I’d suggest using Elysian Titan’s stats as the base for Applauds.

1) I would just take stats from an appropriate CR good outsider,
2) give them a thematically similar weapon (I suggest a bill, glaive, or glaive-guisarme), and
3) alignment changes but the subtypes remain the same.

Good Subtype:

This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the good-aligned outer planes. Most creatures that have this subtype also have good alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has a good alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the good subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are good aligned.

Are you planning on using these evil angels in a homebrew campaign? If so, I’d love to hear about it.

[Voyd211]

Not really, I just like to make things for fun.

Also, Applauds are Large, not Colossal, so the Elysian TItan's stats wouldn't be appropriate.

Things that I'm really interested in are the Auditio, the Cardinal Virtues. If anyone here has played Bayonetta, how would you stat out Fortitudo, Temperantia, Iustitia and Sapientia?

[Stepchild of the Sun]

Voyd211 wrote:

Not really, I just like to make things for fun.

Also, Applauds are Large, not Colossal, so the Elysian TItan's stats wouldn't be appropriate.

Things that I'm really interested in are the Auditio, the Cardinal Virtues. If anyone here has played Bayonetta, how would you stat out Fortitudo, Temperantia, Iustitia and Sapientia?

Yeah, I haven’t gotten very far in the game and haven’t seen these yet so I can’t really picture their size. The Shield Archon is large, that might work better for the Applauds.

On the Auditio:

That said, Fortitudo looks sort of like a Chimera. You could use stats for that and then give it the angel, good, and/or dragon type/ subtypes.

Temperantia looks like a huge construct. Maybe use an iron, brass or adamantine golem as the base? But its special abilities should be more air elemental flavored.

The first thing I thought of when I saw Lustitia was the Scylla. It would probably have the air and plant subtypes along with the good/angelic ones.

Sapientia looks like a dragon at first but after reading it’s description seems to be a dragon-shaped construct with elemental water powers. I’d suggest trying to combine a blue or silver dragon with the Clockwork leviathan (whose size would probably have to be scaled down of course).

[Voyd211]

Ah, no. All of the Auditio are Colossal, trust me. Fortitudo is in Chapter 1, where you fight him in flashback, so you can see how big he is there.

All of the enemies are outsiders, except for the second-to-last boss and the Golem midboss, which are (spoiler) and construct, respectively.

Are there any other Bayonetta players here who could help?

[robert best 549]

I played Bayonetta but I am still familiarizing myself with PFRPG in D&D 3.5 I would have made a celestial template mountain giant more than likely for Fortitudo.

[Voyd211]

Um... I don't know what you're talking about. Fortitudo is the two-headed dragon. Maybe you're thinking of Beloved?

[robert best 549]

Voyd211 wrote:

Um... I don't know what you're talking about. Fortitudo is the two-headed dragon. Maybe you're thinking of Beloved?

... Yeah that one, I haven't played it since a week or 2 after it came out.