Are there really no "impeccable" chefs?


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Grand Lodge

More of a fluff-centric rules question, but for those characters whose Craft skill is focused on cooking, can they use Seasoned in place of Specialty Crafting to qualify for Impeccable Crafting?

The Seasoned feat (Player Core, page 262) reads as follows:
"You’ve mastered the preparation of many types of food and drink. You gain a +1 circumstance bonus to checks to Craft food and drink, including elixirs if you have Alchemical Crafting and potions if you have Magical Crafting. If you are a master in one of the prerequisite skills, this bonus increases to +2."

The Specialty Crafting feat (Player Core, page 262) reads as follows:
Your training focused on Crafting one particular kind of item. Select one of the specialties listed below; you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to Crafting checks to Craft items of that type. If you are a master in Crafting, this bonus increases to +2. If it’s unclear whether the specialty applies, the GM decides. Some specialties might apply only partially. For example, if you were making a morningstar and had specialty in woodworking, the GM might give you half your bonus because the item requires both blacksmithing and woodworking."

The categories for Specialty Crafting include Alchemy, Artistry, Blacksmithing, Bookmaking, Glassmaking, Leatherworking, Pottery, Shipbuilding, Stonemasonry, Tailoring, Weaving and Woodworking. Food & Drink aren't on the list.

At the start, that's no issue. The feats basically work identically to one another, just for different categories of items, so if your preference is to be a great chef, you take Seasoned instead of Specialty Crafting, and improving to Master proficiency with Crafting improves your circumstance bonus in the same way with either feat.

However, at 7th level the Crafting feat Impeccable Crafting (Player Core, page 256) becomes available. The pre-requisites are that you need to be a Master in Crafting, and that you need to have Specialty Crafting. The benefit of the feat is then that: "You craft flawless creations with great efficiency. Whenever you roll a success at a Crafting check to make an item of the type you chose with Specialty Crafting, you get a critical success instead."

So, even if you spend an additional skill feat on taking both Seasoned and Specialty Crafting, since Specialty Crafting doesn't include "Food & Drink" or "Cooking" as a category, it would seem that Impeccable Crafting can never apply to crafted items that you're cooking per se. If so, this makes my chef a sad chef.

Any chance the feat is intended (or can be tweaked) to include Seasoned as an alternate pre-requisite? Or is there something game-breaky in the fact that Seasoned potentially applies to elixirs and potions, and automatic Crafting success = critical success for those items would be un-balancing?

Signed,
A-Formerly-Happy-But-Now-Disgruntled-Chef


I'd say that any reasonable GM would allow Seasoned to count for qualifying for Impeccable. At least in my experience and in home tables.

If you're taking pfs though... That's a different can of worms.

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