living graveyard Vs perfected thrall

[siegfriedliner]

When it comes to 20th level necromancer feats two stand tall, one of them knocks enemies prone and drops lots of your thralls where you want them and tanks by taking up space and having a tonne of hp the other let's your thrall do respectable damage and tank a little.

Both will benefits lots from the almost mandatory effortless concentration. Personally I feel living graveyard is way cooler but perfected thrall might be more powerful at that level because creating lots of thralls is quite easy.

What do you think ?

[TheFinish]

I think perfected Thrall wins out by a long shot for several reasons:

- The P-Thrall is Medium, so it's easy to move around. The Living Graveyard is Gargantuan, but it has no way to move through enemies. It can easily be bottlenecked.
- The P-Thrall can deal very solid damage when you Sustain. Unless I'm reading it wrong, the Living Graveyard can only knock people prone on cast, not on Sustain, which appears to only move it + create 3 thralls.
- 400 HP is nice, but the Living Graveyard is just not much of a threat. It's a very big blocker and it spawns Thralls, but that is basically it. Keep in mind unlike the Perfected Thrall, it does not have a caveat regarding it's consumption, which means if you try to use it for any Focus Spell it just disappears.

The Perfected Thrall is just overall more useful: it can be more easily maneuvered, it can actually deal damage, and it can fuel several of your spells.

By comparison, casting Living Graveyard creates Thralls. This isn't bad, but it's not like you're going to have trouble creating Thralls at level 20.

[Xenocrat]

Only one on average absorbs 8 hits from Treerazer and prevents him from reaching past. The choice is clear.

[Invictus Fatum]

I wish Living Graveyard wasn't level 20 as it is easy to get lots of thralls by then.

Honestly, I'd love for this to be a feat that started at early levels and then upgraded as it heightened.

[Powers128]

If there were more options to sacrifice large numbers of thralls for bigger effects, living graveyard would be more interesting. You're mostly just getting rid of one at a time so the extras from the graveyard just take up space. Maybe that's the point though. If you can maneuver it well enough, the graveyard can choke the battlefield in thralls pretty quickly without needing to spend too many actions on create thrall.