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I wonder if we'll get a Winter Witch archetype anytime soon?
I also wonder if we'll get racial archetypes?
I'd love to see how Paizo would do the Dhampir's Kinslayer archetype, the Suli's Elemental Knight archetype, and the Elf's Treesinger archetype in 2e Pathfinder.
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"Winter" was originally one of the Witch Patron themes. It was renamed to Silence in Snow.
And it probably doesn't match the 'Winter Witch' that you are envisioning. For that I don't think it would need to be a class archetype. A standard Patron Theme would probably be sufficient. If you posted what you are looking for in the Homebrew forum you could probably attract someone to give some ideas for how to make it work.
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How would an Ancestry Archetype be different than the current Versatile Heritage options that we have?
Ancestry archetypes are in reference to the 1e racial archetypes which were archetypes for classes themed(and exclusive) to certain races/ancestries. They didn't usually actually involve any of the mechanics from your ancestry, although one or two of them did, I think there was a dwarven monk archetype that did that. They were usually about infusing lore, and themed surrounding the ancestry into the class. I would argue that most of that is taken care of by the ancestry feats in 2E. While I could see the design space for it, I don't think we will be seeing something with such a restriction in 2E. I think the most likely example would be class feats, an archetype, or a class archetype that is uncommon or rare but has an access entry for a specific ancestry. And since access is a much more flexible mechanic than preresiquites, the archetype can still be taken by others with dms permission.
Mark Seifter wrote a couple dragon archetypes to go with his playable dragon ancestry published under Battle Zoo. Call of the Wild has a few things that aren't quite as on the nose but are pretty close.
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Ancestry archetypes are in reference to the 1e racial archetypes which were archetypes for classes themed(and exclusive) to certain races/ancestries. They didn't usually actually involve any of the mechanics from your ancestry, although one or two of them did, I think there was a dwarven monk archetype that did that. They were usually about infusing lore, and themed surrounding the ancestry into the class. I would argue that most of that is taken care of by the ancestry feats in 2E. While I could see the design space for it, I don't think we will be seeing something with such a restriction in 2E. I think the most likely example would be class feats, an archetype, or a class archetype that is uncommon or rare but has an access entry for a specific ancestry. And since access is a much more flexible mechanic than preresiquites, the archetype can still be taken by others with dms permission.
Yeah, I don't think this is a design space they are interested in exploring any more -- the devs like to be much more permissive with options. For about half of them, it was really questionable why the archetype needed to be race restricted.
I always enjoyed making characters with Racial Archetypes, but that was mostly because there were some fun things that rarely saw play, not because they were Racial Archetypes per se.
Foehammer (Dwarf) made an extraordinarily good Fighter, and Sky Druid (Sylph) was my favorite kind of Druid. But others were fairly meh.
Ancestry archetypes are in reference to the 1e racial archetypes which were archetypes for classes themed(and exclusive) to certain races/ancestries.
Ah.
Yes, I agree that this is probably something that isn't likely to have direct equivalents because of the very limited restrictions.
I think the most likely example would be class feats, an archetype, or a class archetype that is uncommon or rare but has an access entry for a specific ancestry. And since access is a much more flexible mechanic than preresiquites, the archetype can still be taken by others with dms permission.
For example, the Dragon Disciple archetype that Kobolds have official access to and can be given by GM permission to any character.
Or maybe even Clawdancer that several Ancestries would have native access to, several more could gain access from an ancestry feat, and could also be granted access by the GM giving a boon in the form of item or permanent magical transformation.
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I mean howl of the wild kind of did, with things like the aformentioned clawdancer which is accessible if you have claws, inherent or otherwise. If I were to guess, that would be the angle Paizo would take if they wanted to revisit the idea. I would rather they do this too, both for avoiding ideas of racial essentialism which they've taken great pains in demphasising in 2e, as well as not locking really cool player options behind an ancestry wall.
We've also seen culture-specific archtypes pretty often, such as those from the Highhelm book, which in another time would have probably been dwarf-only. So I don't think we'll ever see a true racial archtype again, but I don't think a soft-ancestry class archtype is off the table forever.
Ostilli Host and Stalwalt Sentinal are other examples of dragon disciple style "uncommon except for some ancestry" archetypes, so yeah that and stuff like clawdancer/thlipit contestant/winged warrior (which aren't ancestry-locked, but do require some kind of physical feature) are likely the closest we'll get to ancestry-specific archetypes