Heroism in a Bards repertoire

[Atalius]

How does everyone feel about getting Heightened Heroism (6th) for Bards that primarily use Inspire Courage with Lingering composition and occasionally Inspire Heroics. To me it seems the additional +1 to attack rolls/saves/perceptions checks/skill checks for a 6th level spell slot may not be the best use of that spell slot. However I wanted to hear from everyone else, would anyone else consider getting this spell under these circumstances?

[KrispyXIV]

Its definitely somewhat redundant for a Bard with their compositions, and there's a lot of good stuff at that spell level.

That said, its not a BAD choice, as it could help save actions in some cases and it can apply to skills when its inconvenient to inspire competence.

[Deadmanwalking]

In-combat, the offense buff is mediocre, but the defensive buff remains quite good in terms of Saves. Out of combat, it's a really awesome buff since it entirely stacks with Inspire Competence (giving people +4 to their Skill checks whenever you really need them to pass one is super good). For such a character I'd call it a utility/defensive spell with an offensive combat application rather than a offensive spell per se.

So it depends on what kind of spell you're looking for.

[Captain Morgan]

I think it shines more if you're not using Inspire Courage. Pair it with Dirge of Doom, instead. It will also shine more if you can prebuff with it rather than spending actions in combat, or if few people in your party are making attacks rolls like a small, caster heavy party.

[SuperBidi]

I must admit I don't like Heroism at all. I find that the bonus is not worth the action cost, even for a Cleric/Sorcerer. So, if you're used to cast Inspire Courage, I think it's even worse. Don't you have Inspire Heroics, by the way?

Strangely, I've been a full-support Bard player since 3.5 and I really dislike PF2 version of both the Bard and buff spells. I end up having 7 PFS character and none of them is a Bard despite the fact that it was the first class I've looked at on the playtest pdf...

[Atalius]

Ya I Agree Bidi with Inspire Heroics and even simply Courage it's rather inefficient.

[HumbleGamer]

Since its duration, it's definitely nice if you know that you'll have a boss ahead ( or simply if you plan to clear many rooms within 10 minutes ).

I probably won't use it during combat, but I could consider bringing one ( mostly with a cleric, since a bard already has alternatives with compositions ).

Mandatory if you plan to suceed a st by rolling a 2+ ( with some builds, but this would be min max ).