Darker themed abilities?

[Verzen]

Several myths and legends surround heroes or gods who are a bit more macabre.

I think some abilities should Deal with fire, brimstone, the Undead, void energy etc.

One concept I think would be AMAZING is to go down the path of being a great old one godling where I get a "divine spark" from the tapestry... or the tapestry greatly influenced my divine spark.

There are traditionally darker gods (like rovagug or urgathoa) we should have options in the form of epithets that can reflect that darker path.

[Sibelius Eos Owm]

Narratively your divine spark is dyed in your own personality and nature, but I could hardly complain about warped folk heroes using eldritch powers. Doesn't even have to be dark, "Who Gazed Upon the Darkest Night" might be a Dominion Epithet for a hero who survived an ordeal with Dark Tapestry weirdos and came back with eldritch powers--though you could always go as dark as you wanted for a old-ones obsessed prophet who obtains the spark and uses it to unleash havoc.

Mind you, for darkness we totally have Cu Chulainn's riastrad "warp spasm" with the 12th level feat that gives you automatic enlarge on your body ikon, with a gruesome transcendence.

Meanwhile I'd be surprised if there wasn't an elementally appropriate epithet for fire in the works, we just happened to get lightning, water, and rock for playtest instead.

[AloneDWalker]

Verzen wrote:

Several myths and legends surround heroes or gods who are a bit more macabre.

I think some abilities should Deal with fire, brimstone, the Undead, void energy etc.

One concept I think would be AMAZING is to go down the path of being a great old one godling where I get a "divine spark" from the tapestry... or the tapestry greatly influenced my divine spark.

There are traditionally darker gods (like rovagug or urgathoa) we should have options in the form of epithets that can reflect that darker path.

Yea I think the word hero was taken a little bit too literal here. I mean the Examplar is as far as I understood it a representation of people/myths/legends that are/were greater than life, so what about Vlad the impaler, Genghis Khan and maybe Morgana Lefay for example. They are of a legendary status but certainly not the good kind of heroes. And lets be honest Heracles was also not the nicest guy to be around based on the legends... So yea give us evil hero options please.

[Tusk the Half-Orc]

I agree, I’m trying to build a trickster and there aren’t a lot of options in the playtest materials between “Cunning” and “Thief of Moonlight” (which is a 12-level gap).

[Lia Wynn]

While it's not strictly an evil option, you can take Unholy Santicficaion as a level 1 feat and turn all the spirit damage the class does into unholy damage, for at least some evil feel.

[Captain Morgan]

Barrow's Edge feels pretty sinister to me, an of course Domains have a lot of evil options. But most of the options read as neutral to me, not good,

[Solarsyphon]

There are a few abilities that revolve around void damage, fire or darkness:

Thorns of mortality is a quintessentially undead ability that does void damage and prevents healing

Eternity incinerating blaze is basically hell fire that deals void damage and inflicts doomed.

Sun wrecker casts darkness on a crit and steals the light from the sun on transcendence

Dominion signifier allows you to deal void or fire damage depending what dominion epithet you chose.

Mournful makes people cry

I could make a a death exemplar by going

Barrow's edge, Mournful, peerless under heaven, thorns of mortality, initiate domain death, advanced domain death, dominion signifier and sun wrecker.

If you're willing to reflavour things you could take stuff like seven colored cosmic bridge which with dominion signifier could do void damage and allow you teleport as an inescapable avatar of death.

It could be a good idea to decouple domain signifier from the dominion epithet and make it a lower level so there can be more choice of elements, earlier on so people can get to their desired style asap

[Alchemic_Genius]

At least for me; I've gotten a lot of mileage out of using domain spells to inject more specific flavor. Like the abomination and nightmare domains are nice for the eldritch angle. I think the flavor of the feats definately inspire ideas of heroes, but I do find many of them are also equally good, if not better for villains, too.

The big issue I've run into is trying to make a trickster; good or evil. The class has a massive lack of skill support

[CorvusMask]

Would be nice to have bit more horror themed classes in future. 2e Alchemists lost lot of their body horror elements from 1e x'D

[Solarsyphon]

There are a few ikons I think are missing. For example, an intelligence ikon. Allot of famous heros are known for their strategy and tricks, and many martials have abilities that enable recall knowledge at low level where as the exemplar has it only at high level meaning you have to build for it but gain nothing for a long time.

There are some great myths to pull from like the Fionna and the salmon of knowledge. In that story Fionn burnt his hand on a fire cooking a magic salmon so when he sticks his thumb in his mouth to think he gets god like knowledge bestowed by the fish. It's honestly perfect for an intelligence based body ikon. It would be easy to just make a special lore as the immanence and as a transcendence you gain a defensive bonus against any one you succeed on a recall knowledge on. Intimidation is in a similar situation.

I also think there should be a healing/ support option. There are things to base it off like the Caduceus or the Conga scepter of Mwindo.