A stalwart dedication


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


Umm, so is light armor specialization a thing now? According to unshaken in Iron it is. If so what does it do?


Nothing.

Might be a typo.

Might mean the feat is designed to let you use armor spec while wearing light armor even though it normally only does anything for medium and heavy armors (in which case we don't know which).

Or maybe Remaster will change the way armor spec works.


Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.


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Yeah I'm hoping light armor gets a specialization in the remaster.


Blave wrote:
Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.

Melee DEX fighters are already getting some better feat support, so it makes sense for that to be part of shoring up on what's admittedly a somewhat underwhelming playstyle for fighters. I don't think archer fighters/champions would be too strong if they got this and it does avoid that bad feeling of letting a class feature go to waste.


Blave wrote:
Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.

Then we need an errata because it's a feat that is available right now, that is only 2/3 effective

Verdant Wheel

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Riddlyn wrote:
Blave wrote:
Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.
Then we need an errata because it's a feat that is available right now, that is only 2/3 effective

Not really. It's 100% effective for Medium and Heavy armors, it's just not a valid use case for light armor at the moment, which is not really a thing pre-remaster anyway. Every character that takes it, will be making full use of it and getting full effect, and a VAST majority of characters taking the archetype will not be light armor users anyway. A light armor stalwart defender feels like an incredibly niche build that doesn't really require errata to support.


Magis wrote:
Riddlyn wrote:
Blave wrote:
Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.
Then we need an errata because it's a feat that is available right now, that is only 2/3 effective
Not really. It's 100% effective for Medium and Heavy armors, it's just not a valid use case for light armor at the moment, which is not really a thing pre-remaster anyway. Every character that takes it, will be making full use of it and getting full effect, and a VAST majority of characters taking the archetype will not be light armor users anyway. A light armor stalwart defender feels like an incredibly niche build that doesn't really require errata to support.

100% for medium and heavy armor still means one third of the feat doesn't work. And that build wouldn't necessarily need to be niche as you can use most of the feats and light armor wouldn't force you to give up movement speed. Out of the 13 feats besides the dedication you only need to be wearing medium or heavy armor for 3 of them. So yes I would certainly think it needs a correction

Verdant Wheel

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Riddlyn wrote:
Magis wrote:
Riddlyn wrote:
Blave wrote:
Not a thing right now. Might be a thing in the remaster, though. Always felt weird that fighters and champions in light armor can't use one of their class features.
Then we need an errata because it's a feat that is available right now, that is only 2/3 effective
Not really. It's 100% effective for Medium and Heavy armors, it's just not a valid use case for light armor at the moment, which is not really a thing pre-remaster anyway. Every character that takes it, will be making full use of it and getting full effect, and a VAST majority of characters taking the archetype will not be light armor users anyway. A light armor stalwart defender feels like an incredibly niche build that doesn't really require errata to support.
100% for medium and heavy armor still means one third of the feat doesn't work. And that build wouldn't necessarily need to be niche as you can use most of the feats and light armor wouldn't force you to give up movement speed. Out of the 13 feats besides the dedication you only need to be wearing medium or heavy armor for 3 of them. So yes I would certainly think it needs a correction

I'll take your word for it on the 3/13... and nothing about this feat stops you from continuing to take advantage of those feats. In fact, there's even an equal level feat that works fine with light armor, there for the taking. Nothing about this is unusable or nonfunctional in the current system, and it's likely language designed to support ADDING new function in the remaster. You want errata? "You gain the armor specialization effects of all armors you are proficient in that provide such bonuses". There. No mention of light armor spec that doesn't exist. Enjoy ;-)

Honestly I suspect the real cause for this is so they can add spec effects for light armor in the remaster, or to future proof options later. Complaining about it not granting an effect for light armor users feels a lot like complaining about Seasoned not giving its full effect if you don't have cooking lore. If you don't have cooking lore... and don't value the bonus in the other areas it DOES provide a bonus... don't take seasoned.


Magis wrote:
A light armor stalwart defender feels like an incredibly niche build that doesn't really require errata to support.

I mean it's less that it needs support and more that errata would be nice because the ability says it does something that is unparseable.

So errata would be useful for clarifying what that part of the feat is supposed to do, even if it's nothing because it's an editing error.

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