Quick question on new terminology and ancestries


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion

Scarab Sages

So I'm doing some writing for Pathfinder infinite, and with the remaster coming out, I want my stuff to be compatible with the new terminology. So I had a couple of questions:

1) I know genies were renamed for the most part, but what about Genie-kin? There was some mention that fire genie-kin were renamed from ifrit to Nari? But none of the other names were updated. Anyone know what the water genie-kin are called? Can I just call them Faydahaan-Kin?

2) I saw a month or two ago that there were merfolk ancestries available? Any idea what the rules are for those? Can they breathe in air and underwater? I can't find them on archives of nethys, and the monster merfolk cannot breathe air.


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Are you talking about merfolk in the book that won't be out until next year? No one will have rules for those for you.


Other than the ifrit, the other geniekin should not keep their name as far as I know.


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And I would assume that the other geniekin have their same names, else they'd have been mentioned in the PDF. I can't imagine that naari are the only geniekin that get mentioned in a book all about the elements.

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VampByDay wrote:

So I'm doing some writing for Pathfinder infinite, and with the remaster coming out, I want my stuff to be compatible with the new terminology. So I had a couple of questions:

1) I know genies were renamed for the most part, but what about Genie-kin? There was some mention that fire genie-kin were renamed from ifrit to Nari? But none of the other names were updated. Anyone know what the water genie-kin are called? Can I just call them Faydahaan-Kin?

My suggestion is to wait until official sources are out before you start putting piecemeal remastered elements into your products. While it means waiting a bit longer, it will ensure that you are more consistent with your terminology than if you include what you know and leave out things you don't know got renamed.

Luckily, most of the changes you're asking about are cosmetic/semantic, and not mechanical, so you can use the OGL terms for now (and actually can only use the OGL terms if you're releasing your book under the OGL rather than the ORC) and they'll still be "compatible" after the remaster drops.

You'll note that the preview document says that it isn't released under any license, so even if we had revealed the new names of the other genie kin in it, you wouldn't be able to use them until you could properly attribute an ORC source for them.

VampByDay wrote:
2) I saw a month or two ago that there were merfolk ancestries available? Any idea what the rules are for those? Can they breathe in air and underwater? I can't find them on archives of nethys, and the monster merfolk cannot breathe air.

The merfolk ancestry will appear in Howl of the Wild next year. Until then, you can get an approximation of their abilities to make your own version of the ancestry by looking at the merfolk monster stat blocks in the Bestiary.


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I had a friend who has the RoE PDF ctrl+F and the words "undine", "oread", and "sylph" all appear in the book.

I feel like the Naari change is mostly about the need to use Ifrit for something else.


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Paizo and not WotC came up with the names for the geniekin heritages, so they should be okay with continuing to use them. It is the genies who took their names from the 3rd edition SRD.

And it appears that the only geniekin that Paizo are renaming is the ifrit, as they decided to use that name for fire genies for some reason.


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David knott 242 wrote:


Paizo and not WotC came up with the names for the geniekin heritages, so they should be okay with continuing to use them. It is the genies who took their names from the 3rd edition SRD.

And it appears that the only geniekin that Paizo are renaming is the ifrit, as they decided to use that name for fire genies for some reason.

Because ifrit is a name for kinds of djinn in IRL folklore; efreeti and ifrit are both used to describe those beings, ifrit wasn't being used by WotC, so it got moved over.

Scarab Sages

Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback.

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