So say a wacky wizard uses polymorph any object to turn something into an edible substance and then someone eat said polymorphed object.
how would this effect the consumer in the following cases:
1: object changed has a limited duration but last for days -or long enough to be digested into the body. say turned one mineral (arsenic salt maybe?) into salt or poisonous fruit into edible one.
but the original object has harmful effect on the body (or should not be a part of the body at all).
2: object changed was close-case enough that the duration is Permanent. is it part of the eater's body now? is part of him polymorphed? how does this take effect in case of dispelling or other polymorph effects -will he gain immunity for most polymorph effects (beside baleful polymorph which has it's own rules) as no more then one polymorph effect can effect a target?
3: in old school D&D polymorph effect end if the target die, but i can't seem to see it in the rules here. (if it's the case then destroying the object, say via stomach acids. might turn it back). can anyone ping this?
Given that its unlikely turning anything into edible food that wouldn’t have been considered food to begin with, most attempts to use this spell this way will result in a 2-3hr duration, this seems like a very pertinent question to ask…
To start, this line exists in PAO: “ Damage taken by the new form can result in the injury or death of the polymorphed creature. In general, damage occurs when the new form is changed through physical force.” Which should help answer question #3… there isn’t a solid “what happens when a polymophed creature dies” ruling anywhere in the books to my knowledge, some GMs default to the dnd 3e ruling of the spell effect ends and they return to normal, while others consider the lack of a specific rule to mean it persists through death for the full duration of the spell effect.
As stated, most attempts to do this will yield only a 2-3 hour duration, so digestion will not occur before the spell ends… however, unless you swallowed it whole, significant damage will have been done to the object or creature so it is unlikely to cause any sort of explosive expansion… if the original object was poison then it would absolutely resume being a poison and the consumer will need to make a save vs poison at this time. The next most likely duration is 2 days, by this time the food will have been fully digested and likely even excreted… the original form has no meaning or effect at this point. If by some chance you do get a duration of permanent for this usage, then no… the magic will not infuse with your body rendering you immune to polymorph.
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The 3rd question is the important one. The other two questions are answered by that one. If something does not turn back when it is destroyed it will not turn back when it is digested. How it is destroyed does not matter it could be burned to ashes instead of digested and the results would be the same. As far as I know there is nothing that states a polymorph effects end when the target is destroyed or dies.
One thing to keep in mind about polymorph effects is that they don’t actually change you into the form you assume. They make you look like the form you assume and allow you to gain specific properties of that form that are listed in the description of the spell. Polymorph an object can be used to duplicate polymorph, greater polymorph, flesh to stone, stone to flesh, transmute mud to rock, transmute metal to wood, or transmute rock to mud. Since you are only altering the form, I am not sure you can do what the affect what happens when you digest the object. None of those spells grant the ability to be digested. That means that anything that is not digestible to begin with is not digested. If I transform a rock into a piece of fruit it will not be digested and will pass through the subject digestive system without being digested.
The 3rd question is the important one. The other two questions are answered by that one. If something does not turn back when it is destroyed it will not turn back when it is digested. How it is destroyed does not matter it could be burned to ashes instead of digested and the results would be the same. As far as I know there is nothing that states a polymorph effects end when the target is destroyed or dies.
One thing to keep in mind about polymorph effects is that they don’t actually change you into the form you assume. They make you look like the form you assume and allow you to gain specific properties of that form that are listed in the description of the spell. Polymorph an object can be used to duplicate polymorph, greater polymorph, flesh to stone, stone to flesh, transmute mud to rock, transmute metal to wood, or transmute rock to mud. Since you are only altering the form, I am not sure you can do what the affect what happens when you digest the object. None of those spells grant the ability to be digested. That means that anything that is not digestible to begin with is not digested. If I transform a rock into a piece of fruit it will not be digested and will pass through the subject digestive system without being digested.
thank you all for your answering.
i think Mysterious Stranger actually hit the nail on this one. the body organs don't have 'eyes' or other normal senses that can be waylaid by polymorph, they interact on a more basic level in ways that the polymorph doesn't change.same for poison. polymorphing a poison shouldn't render it less poisonous as it's effect isn't something on the list of things that change by polymorph (unless the poison is supernatural\extraordinary\an attack etc).
in the end, if you eat a rock that was polymorphed into a cake then your body is gona react as if you ate a rock...
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Note: this topic has gone on since AD&D days
Some of it. In AD&D days Polymorph other was permanent unless dispelled and the creature did take all the characteristics of the new form beside the hit point.
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Being a poisonous substance =/= having a poisonous attack.
When a polymorphed object "loses any abilities that depend on its form", being made of poisonous material is something that depends on the form or something that depends on its composition?
Personally, I think it depends on the composition and it stays poisonous (and rock turned to flesh stays non-nutritious for most creatures).
AD&D did not have specific rules stating how polymorph worked Pathfinder does.
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form.
That brings up the question of what exactly is lost when you are polymorphed, what does form really mean? Is this limited to things based on shape or are other abilities affected. For example does an outsider lose its energy resistances? Elementals come in all shapes, so does that mean a fire elemental loses its fire immunity? How about their immunity to precision-based damage? If those abilities are lost than things like being poisonous should also be lost.
In any case the new form might make still prevent a creature from suffering poison damage if the new form cannot deliver the poison the way the old one could. If I were to polymorph a liquid poison that is absorbed into the blood stream into a solid that cannot be absorbed the poison should not work. For example, I polymorph a dose of poison to a small diamond and swallow the diamond. If the polymorph lasts long enough to pass through my digestive system, I will not take poison damage.