Hello, I have questions about the living vessel archetype.
1/ What means "outer entity" ?
2/
Additional Feats: Your GM might determine that you can take a pact feat from the pactbinder archetype as an additional feat, as long as the pact is made to the entity within you.
For example, a character can take the pact of eldritch eyes without pactbinder dedication feat ?
You need to spend at least an hour each day assuaging the entity within you or you take a –1 penalty to Will saves for 24 hours. The process of assuaging the entity is determined together between you and the GM. It might be as simple as meditating with the entity to learn more about them, but it might be as extreme as committing gruesome, unspeakable sacrifices to keep their unknowable blessings. After a full week of failing to assuage your entity, you become doomed 1, and you can't remove or ameliorate the condition until you allow your entity to take full possession of your body for 24 hours, during which time it pursues its own agenda.
3/ To assuage the entity, is it possible to consume a drug ?
4/ Is it possible for a character with the sleepwalker archetype and oneiric influence (subconscious suggestion) using on a creature to become a vessel dedication ?
Thanks for your future answer.
1) Outer entity is probably smaller Lovecraftian-style stuff. Not quite to the scale of a Great Old One, just like demonic possession probably isn't by the goddess Lamashtu, but still in the same general category of "weird thing from beyond the stars".
2) Yes, if you were playing an aberration or outer entity Living Vessel, you could ask the GM about taking Pact of Eldritch Eyes as a Living Vessel feat instead of a Pactbinder feat.
3) The way you assuage the entity depends on what you work out with the GM. If you mean, "Would consuming a drug be a reasonable way to assuage the entity?", then I would say sure, for certain types of entity. If you mean, "Could I just consume a drug instead of doing whatever I work out with the GM?", then no, unless you also work that out with the GM.
4) This is another GM question. But, there are a few issues with it.
- Suggestions must be reasonable. "You should let yourself be possessed for the rest of your life by something that will require me to spend an hour of every day catering to its whims or it will weaken my mind" is not a reasonable suggestion in almost any circumstance. Somebody would need to be incredibly desperate for power for that to be reasonable.
- The entity must be one that responds to somebody calling it. You can call a demon, but good luck getting the fey to do what you want consistently. The archetype says "willingly or not", so sometimes it's just something that happens, and you won't be able to replicate that by getting a person to do something. The entity in question might not be interested in the person.
- NPCs generally don't have feats. (Obviously, trying to use in-game shenanigans to decide another PC's build for them is very rude without them wanting it.)
- Living Vessel is rare, so it's not something that people (including other Living Vessels) usually know how to replicate. Even if somebody figures out how to do it once, maybe they only know the name of one demon to call, and now it's already inside them.
You could definitely work all that out with a GM, but the rules give them plenty of good excuses why it might not work.
1) Outer Entity means a creature from the Outer Planes.
2) yes, with GM permission.
3) I wouldn't have using a drug as the assuage activity since the drug itself would have effects. Typically detrimental effects. Maybe something like eating a particular food.
4) I also wouldn't try to force a player to take the archetype through in-game GM Fiat.
3/Midnight's Milk but adadpted in second edition.
4/ It's for a NPC character for a living vessel archetype.
Well, if you are the GM of an NPC, sure. Play them however you want.
Having the assuage activity have other detrimental effects isn't going to make the character more powerful, so that is fine.
And set up the backstory of how the NPC character got to that state in whatever manner you like.
If an entity to take full possession of its body, can the entity use its own abilities ?
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1) Outer Entity means a creature from the Outer Planes.
I don't think so, actually- creatures from the Outer Planes are almost always tied to Religion, and "outer entity" is tied to Occultism.
If an entity to take full possession of its body, can the entity use its own abilities ?
No. You could overrule that as the GM, but it'd be very broken. The lowest-level demon that can possess people is level 7, and the feat can be taken at level 2. That would mean the GM would be using abilities 5 levels over the party, which is an issue no matter where they're pointed.
1) Outer Entity means a creature from the Outer Planes.I don't think so, actually- creatures from the Outer Planes are almost always tied to Religion, and "outer entity" is tied to Occultism.
Yeah, I read outer entity as a creature from the Dark Tapestry.
Hmm... That's odd. I'm not finding the Dark Tapestry defined anywhere.
A couple of mentions and references to it in a couple of places. But no definition.
That seems to be the best that we have.
I just find it strange. I would think something that important would be listed along with the list of planes. Instead it gets a not-quite-complete sentence squeezed in the middle of the description of the Outer Gods, and a one sentence paragraph in the description of the material plane.
Outer Gods and Great Old Ones are called the Dark Tapestry.
It looks like they don't use the term Dark Tapestry anymore in PF2.
