Looking for creatures with tusks big enough to make a staff out of.


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Scarab Sages

I'm interested in making a staff from the tusk (ivory) of some creature (preferably not evil or good aligned so no angels/demons/devils/etc) specifically a staff of eldritch sovereignity. The obvious would be some form of greater mammoth but I'd like more range if possible. I'll be rummaging through the beings on nethys but if anyone know's of anything off the top of their head that has an ivory tusk/similar big enough to make a staff out of it I'd appreciate the suggestions. As said I'd prefer nothing aligned to evil or good.


It might help to spell the name right. You have an extra 'i' near the end just before the 't'.

Staff of Eldritch Sovereignty


The Tarrasque should have horns big enough for what you need, but one could argue that a staff of eldritch sorcery is something you might need to kill the Tarrasque.


Narwhal? Really big walrus? Bull of Zagresh?

Scarab Sages

For a value of kill anyway when dealing with a tarasque.

Narwhal is a possibility.


Oliphaunt of Jandelay!

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Mudfoot wrote:
Oliphaunt of Jandelay!

Interesting but no I'd like to avoid beings with "human" level intelligence and unique beings. To be honest even animals bother me a bit but the staff is described as Ivory so Ivory I need. Not to mention even if I got one of its tusks it'd be far too big.


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Actually, it's not silly at all, though at first I thought it was.

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Speculators collect all sorts of relics purported to be chunks of tusk that sloughed off the beast

And given that a Staff of Eldritch Sovereignty is a minor artifact, it's not just going to be made of any old elephant. Not to mention that the Oliphaunt is an elephant (at least it's "elephantine" and has tusks and a trunk) so presumably the stuff is ivory.


I don't think you need to make the staff out of ivory. I think you can substitute different materials. I don't recall magic items requiring specific ingredients. The thing that matters for ingredients is the magic supplies, which is half the base cost.


I'm sorry that I have to utter this word, and may Nethys forgive me, but you're thinking like a martial.

Sculpt Corpse on a bison (50 gp) and you'll have your huge mammoth corpse.

Fabricate on a pile of teeth and it's now an ivory staff. I'd also throw in Crafter's Fortune and Tears to Wine so that the staff turns into a work of art.

Scarab Sages

Not sure how tears to wine helps as that is basically a purify water variant.

OmniMage wrote:
I don't think you need to make the staff out of ivory. I think you can substitute different materials. I don't recall magic items requiring specific ingredients. The thing that matters for ingredients is the magic supplies, which is half the base cost.

The flavour text refers to it as an ivory staff with platinum runes.


Senko wrote:
Not sure how tears to wine helps as that is basically a purify water variant.

Oh that's to buff the Craft check from Fabricate. +10 bonus at cl 15.

You wouldn't want your artefact to look anything less than perfect after all.


Mudfoot wrote:

Actually, it's not silly at all, though at first I thought it was.

Quote:
Speculators collect all sorts of relics purported to be chunks of tusk that sloughed off the beast
And given that a Staff of Eldritch Sovereignty is a minor artifact, it's not just going to be made of any old elephant. Not to mention that the Oliphaunt is an elephant (at least it's "elephantine" and has tusks and a trunk) so presumably the stuff is ivory.

I agree with Mudfoot. As a minor artifact it should probably be made of ivory from something powerful, magical, expensive and dangerous. Can you even make minor artifacts? How much are planning on spending to make it?


Senko wrote:
The flavour text refers to it as an ivory staff with platinum runes.

So? Maybe I want to make mine out of dark wood so it weighs half as much. I assume that the description depicts a common version of the magic item, not dictate that all must be exactly like the description says.

Wonderstell wrote:
Fabricate on a pile of teeth and it's now an ivory staff. I'd also throw in Crafter's Fortune and Tears to Wine so that the staff turns into a work of art.

You can do that? *reads fabricate a few times* I guess you can. I thought that fabricate could only make an item if you could craft it (which teeth to ivory staff is not possible using the craft skill).

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@Wonderstell
I see missed that application of it.

@Valandil Ancalime
No, unless you did a work around with the legendary item that counts as minor then major artifact. I was using I as in me not a character I like even my magic items much less artifacts to have some backstory/name/etc. I want to say "You have the a staff of eldritch sovereignity it is carved from the tusk of a Narwhal following the spirals down its length is a series of runes engraved with platinum and glowing with a iridescent light. They are of no script you know. As you watch it a moment you realize the runes are not just written in a flowing script but actually flowing like a slow wave from the top of the staff to the bottom and then back again shifting slightly as they do. Set into the top of the staff a large blue diamond sits in pride of place held there by spiralliing arcs of ivory seemingly drawn from the tooth." and they can research in a library to find out who made it and used it in the past as opposed to "You find a staff of Eldritch sovereignity look up page XXX."

I'm not opposed to it being something powerful and dangerous but it can't really be a unique being like the oliphant because the oliphant it still alive. Especially as its a minor artifact so there were several of them made meaning whatever the source of ivory is it should be something that was a species rather than a one off.

@Omnimage
Perhaps but I'd like this one to be ivory rather than sycamore.


So the character isn't "making a staff", you the player want to better describe what the staff is made of and looks like.

Scarab Sages

Valandil Ancalime wrote:
So the character isn't "making a staff", you the player want to better describe what the staff is made of and looks like.

Correct, probably bad wording on my part in the initial post. Not sure how I could have worded it otherwise though maybe desigining?


Bear in mind that the Oliphaunt was thousands of feet tall and its tusks were absurdly big, so you only need (comparatively) tiny bits of it to make a staff. Find a big bit and you could make a war galley out of it.

Exactly what the tusks might look like in terms of colour or texture is lost to myth and legend.


Senko wrote:
Valandil Ancalime wrote:
So the character isn't "making a staff", you the player want to better describe what the staff is made of and looks like.
Correct, probably bad wording on my part in the initial post. Not sure how I could have worded it otherwise though maybe desigining?

I'm not sure how you could have worded it better either. I took 1 look and decided that acquiring the ivory needed was going to be a problem, so I was quick to decide to use another material instead. I didn't quite catch that you really wanted it to be made out of ivory and wasn't interested in substitutes. I suppose you could have said that you weren't looking for substitute materials. You were looking to make a staff that closely matched the description of the item you were making.

Scarab Sages

Mudfoot wrote:

Bear in mind that the Oliphaunt was thousands of feet tall and its tusks were absurdly big, so you only need (comparatively) tiny bits of it to make a staff. Find a big bit and you could make a war galley out of it.

Exactly what the tusks might look like in terms of colour or texture is lost to myth and legend.

Fair point and you would have the quest getting a bit of it. Didn't reallize the critter was that big or that it shed things naturally implying a regrow. Might work . . . hmmm.

OmniMage wrote:
Senko wrote:
Valandil Ancalime wrote:
So the character isn't "making a staff", you the player want to better describe what the staff is made of and looks like.
Correct, probably bad wording on my part in the initial post. Not sure how I could have worded it otherwise though maybe desigining?
I'm not sure how you could have worded it better either. I took 1 look and decided that acquiring the ivory needed was going to be a problem, so I was quick to decide to use another material instead. I didn't quite catch that you really wanted it to be made out of ivory and wasn't interested in substitutes. I suppose you could have said that you weren't looking for substitute materials. You were looking to make a staff that closely matched the description of the item you were making.

I'm not interested in substitutes for this staff as I like the white/platinum/blue colour scheme. I have taken your suggestion and made a note for future items.


Senko wrote:
Correct, probably bad wording on my part in the initial post. Not sure how I could have worded it otherwise though maybe desigining?

Let's go with "open to alternate interpretation" instead of "bad".

The Oliphant certainly fits "powerful, magical, expensive and dangerous". But considering that ivory=tusks=teeth, you could go with the tooth of a huge+ sized magical creature, linnorms or dragons come to mind.


Senko wrote:
Mudfoot wrote:

Bear in mind that the Oliphaunt was thousands of feet tall and its tusks were absurdly big, so you only need (comparatively) tiny bits of it to make a staff. Find a big bit and you could make a war galley out of it.

Exactly what the tusks might look like in terms of colour or texture is lost to myth and legend.

Fair point and you would have the quest getting a bit of it. Didn't reallize the critter was that big or that it shed things naturally implying a regrow. Might work . . . hmmm.

I don't think it sheds the tusks, exactly, but bits of it may well have been knocked off at some point. E.g. during the Azlanti invasion of Thassilon. Enough powerful magic thrown around and a few small chips may have been knocked off. Finding a chip like this could be an adventure in itself, possibly tied to something like a Runelord adventure.

Or going to Jandelay to hack one off...


The Elasmotherium, maybe? Huge rhino dinosaur thing...


Note that horn =/= ivory.
Ivory is teeth. Horn is very weird hair/nails.

Also, elasmotherium is a mammal, not a dinosaur.

Scarab Sages

Hmmmm.

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