Okay, I've been looking over the Dark Archive book, specifically the Thaumaturge, and for the Weapon Implement, it says it must be a one-handed weapon.
Well and good for melee Thaumaturges, as there are plenty of one-handed melee weapons.
But if you're going ranged.... the hand crossbow is definitely allowed, while the normal and heavy crossbows aren't.
But are bows? They all have a handedness of 1+.
They cannot be weapon implements.
They could be another type of implement though.
Hrm.
That makes ranged weapon implement Thaumaturges heavily restricted, then, even more so than they already are, as the reaction can only be used within 10 feet if you're using a ranged weapon.
And I would assume thrown weapons are right out, because the implement only has power when you're holding it, so....
Common 1-handed ranged weapons (not thrown)
Hand crossbow
Sling
Blowgun
Uncommon adds in mostly firearms, the dart umbrella, the thunder sling, and the repeating hand crossbow (but it's Advanced, so it's effectively not an option).
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Uncommon adds in mostly firearms, the dart umbrella, the thunder sling, and the repeating hand crossbow (but it's Advanced, so it's effectively not an option).
The Drow Shootist archetype or the Human Ancestry feat Unconventional Weaponry can get you repeating hand crossbow proficiency. Mostly, I used an Air Repeater [the regions of Alkenstar, Dongun Hold, Tian Xia, Vudra, Arcadia, Ustalav, the Shackles gives access].
The Drow Shootist archetype or the Human Ancestry feat Unconventional Weaponry can get you repeating hand crossbow proficiency. Mostly, I used an Air Repeater [the regions of Alkenstar, Dongun Hold, Tian Xia, Vudra, Arcadia, Ustalav, the Shackles gives access].Uncommon adds in mostly firearms, the dart umbrella, the thunder sling, and the repeating hand crossbow (but it's Advanced, so it's effectively not an option).
I was unaware of that Archetype. Skipping out on two class feats _might_ be an effective trade-off for the Repeating Hand Crossbow utility.
Still, all in all, it seems like sans access to that and/or firearms, ranged Weapon Implement Thaumaturges are.... contraindicated.
I was unaware of that Archetype. Skipping out on two class feats _might_ be an effective trade-off for the Repeating Hand Crossbow utility.
Shootist's draw, which works with both hand crossbows and repeating ones, is almost as important as it lets you both draw and fire, or fire then stow your weapon as a single action: with the class getting 3 implements that need to be juggled and passive ones NOT getting the free swap ability [switch to another implement with an action from the implement]. There is also Skirmish Strike at 10th that lets you move and Strike as a single action and that can be a boon as this cass can be action starved.
Still, all in all, it seems like sans access to that and/or firearms, ranged Weapon Implement Thaumaturges are.... contraindicated.
Thrown can work out if you wait until the Returning rune is available to take the implement. There is also the Archer archetype that has a 6th level feat, Advanced Bow Training, that allows you to use an Advanced Bow as if they were martial for proficiency and that includes the Repeating Hand Crossbow.
Okay, I've been looking over the Dark Archive book, specifically the Thaumaturge, and for the Weapon Implement, it says it must be a one-handed weapon.
Well and good for melee Thaumaturges, as there are plenty of one-handed melee weapons.
But if you're going ranged.... the hand crossbow is definitely allowed, while the normal and heavy crossbows aren't.
But are bows? They all have a handedness of 1+.
I think it is possible to use a guantlet as a weapon implement (its a one handed weapon but also free hand) then wield and use a bow ( a 1+ weapon).
How do other people see this?
While standing around that would work, but you couldn't use implement's empowerment since you need both hands to strike with a bow and you need a free hand to use IE.
I just want to nail this down and make sure the permitted combinations are right.
While standing around that would work, but you couldn't use implement's empowerment since you need both hands to strike with a bow and you need a free hand to use IE.
Where does it say you need a free hand?
The rule seems to say you can use it anywayYou keep your esoterica in easy-to-access places on your person and are well practiced in brandishing your implement and esoterica together, so you can draw and use esoterica with the same hand you're using to wield an implement
So multiple implements are OK. Second Implement says it is a free action to switch.
OK here it is:
Channeling the power requires full use of your hands. You don't gain the benefit of implement's empowerment if you are holding anything in either hand other than a single one-handed weapon, other implements, or esoterica, and you must be holding at least one implement to gain the benefit
So a shield or a second weapon get in the way. Therefore ranged weapons are throw weapons, sling, hand crossbow, repeating hand crossbow, some firearms.
Yeah, and I was specifically looking at Weapon Implement options for ranged.
Still, the hand crossbow and certain firearms at least feel thematic for a Thaumaturge. And considering the amount of damage that a Thaumaturge can add to an attack, even at first level, the damage die isn't as important. It's just that "must be within 10 feet for a ranged weapon" for the reaction on Weapon Implement hurts.
Edit: After refreshing my memory on Attacks of Opportunity (which is the closest thing to what the Weapon Implement reaction is), it actually isn't that bad, as normal AoO can't be done with a ranged attack.
