Force Bolt discrepency between Beginner Box and core rules


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Yesterday I played my first - online - Pathfinder 2.0 session, playing Ezren in the Menace under Otari adventure from the Beginner Box.

We're playing using the official Foundry VTT module, which is why I noticed what appears to be a discrepancy between the character abilities described in the pregen character sheet and the core rules.

I haven't picked up the core rulebook yet, but there appears to be a concept of focus spells and focus points, as well as the Refocus activity. These's aren't mentioned by name in the Beginner Box, which is fine I suppose, but...

Ezren character sheet wrote:

School Spell

You can cast force bolt. Rather than getting it back only once each day, you can spend 10 minutes studying your spellbook to get it back.
❏ Force Bolt [two-actions] (arcane, evocation, force, manipulate) You fire a dart of force that automatically hits and deals 1d4+1 force damage to a target within 30 feet.

Archives of Nethys (and I'm assuming the core rulebook) states that Force bolt is a single action however.

Is this just an oversight? I couldn't find any errata for the Beginner Box, but the character sheets are supposed to be compatible with the core rules?

Silver Crusade

The Beginner’s Box has simplified and altered rules than the Core ruleset that is up on Archives of Nethys.

The BB is for easing people into the game system.


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Rysky wrote:
The Beginner’s Box has simplified and altered rules than the Core ruleset that is up on Archives of Nethys.

That doesn't really explain the difference, though. A two-action activity is not any easier to use than a one-action activity?


What I believe Rysky is saying is that the rules are different in the Beginner Box. The Beginner Box does not use the Core Rule Book. Very similar but not the same.

Not owning the Beginner's Box, I couldn't tell you what the rules for Force Bolt are in that ruleset. If it's a discrepancy between those rules and the pregen, then go with the rules from the Beginner's Box.

EDIT: The PF2 official/Core Rulebook-based Ezren pregen does not have Force Bolt.


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Are there any one action spells in the beginner’s box? Maybe they made all spells take two actions for consistency?


Jydan wrote:
playing Ezren in the Menace under Otari adventure from the Beginner Box.

The Beginner Box, as stated above, uses a simplified rule set. As you noted, Focus Spells are not part of those rules.

However, in the Hero's Handbook, Force Bolt is a single action spell.

The updated (errata'd) PreGen sheets for the BB have Force Bolt as a 2-action spell on the Ezren sheet.

[side note: BB includes 1, 2, and 3 action spells].

I'm flagging this to be moved to the Beginner Box forum. There may be more information about this discrepancy there.


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I would say that it probably is an error. As they intentionally tried not to change anything fundamentally (i.e. allow something in beginner box tha is not normally allowed) instead the beginner box, when rules differ, it is due to their having simplified the rules and presumed a selection, leaving some other option. Or bundling together a couple choices that don't have to be bundled, but gave a more simplified set of choices for building the beginner box character.

Now because the standard pregen characters use varied optoins from the core rulebooks, when they re-made the pregens, the beginner box pregens do not necessarily match the Core pregens. So in that sense, yes the characters are different depending on which rules you are using. But they are just template/base starting spots allowing players to play quickly without having to build something, or giving them a starting part to build off of or change based on their own inspiration.

If it had been true that they had had all spells be two actions, I'd be willing to consider it a simplification of the rules (that the going to the core rules just gets you a bit better version/option). However, given that on Ezren's sheet it shows magic missle as being variable action. That gets rid of that.

Actually, looking at the Heroes Handbook, Force Bolt is listed as a Single action spell. So it looks like it is an error on the pregen character sheet. I would say you should be good to mark out the second action requirement on the pregen player sheet if you use Ezren with the beginner box.

In theory, the pregen's from the beginner box, should be legitimate builds in the core rules, they just used fewer choices to get there. (and even though they may differ from the core pregens) That said, I don't think beginner box is PFS approved, so you probably can't use BB pregens in a PFS scenario for PFS credit as a pregen.


The discrepancy is not between the BB rules and the core rules, which both have Force Bolt as a one action spell. The two action entry on Ezren’s character sheet is a misprint.

BB Ezren is an Evoker. CRB Ezren is a Universalist.

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