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You knew this was coming ;D Anyway, I'm sure that even with starfinder existing, there is presence of scifi tech in pathfinder and not just because of numeria... Hence thread name. I think 2e version of technology guide should be combined with detailing planets in Golarion's star system with heavier tech focus. If Akitonians can have future guns then why not our android gunslingers too? That and would make it easier to run iron gods in 2e :p We kinda need this anyway for that dominion of the black alien invasion campaign or numeria 2e campaign whatever we will end up getting.
(and no, guns & gears isn't technology guide, that one was less scifi and more steam punk and early firearms even with tesla coils)
Anyway, I'll be doing likely my final lore binge on obscure setting materials since I'm fairly sure this is last corner(or spaaaace) in Golarion('s related material) to discuss. And just remember, having 2e adventures in planets doesn't affect starfinder and vice versa, sword & sorcery planet traveling is as much form of fantasy as other genres present on golarion. We don't even really need AP set on them, we could have just anthology adventure book with one adventure on each of them. Heck detailing them helps with more of Golarion alien shenanigans as well! So yeah summaries of even less technological stuff in solar system(I try to include reason to explore locations in pathfinder era):
Aballon, The Horse: So the most obviously high technological planet of solar system, perfect for tech guide related adventuring ;D There is actually small group of about 50 people who have gotten stuck on Aballon due to portal shenanigans, so adventure about getting stuck on aballon accidentally both makes sense and if they were rescued from planet nobody on starfinder era would even know they had been there in first place ;D (I doubt we would get playable anacites or khizars though in 2e, but still lot of evocative ideas of bunch of fantasy people getting stuck on cold planet with machine cities and only couple of air pockets... Plus hey legendary survivalists would get use out of that feat if its high level adventure instead :D)
Also fun fact: before Epoch ascended and combined with Brigh and Casandalee, it was a city on Aballon, Epoch the Striving. Or to be accurate, it was massive neural network that was already close to godhood back in 1e. So yes, we could totally witness ascension of new god and have third pre triune machine god clerics in 2e ;D
Castrovel the Green: So this is planet we definitely need to feature in 2e eventually because of elves alone :P I mean, you can't have PCs be aliens, Kyonin have direct portal to Sovyrian and formians and lashunta occasionally on golarion without ever featuring fantasy venus, right? xP They didn't really have space era tech yet in 1e, so its really fitting fantasy location too!
Golarion the Cage got featured its moon(or Somal by Azlanti) in distant worlds instead. Not much to say there besides that would be interesting to get update on Moonscar and City of the Faceless in 2e. Moon Dungeons also had "potentially monumental discovery" that was never followed up on, since penal city was established by azlanti to explore the mysterious tunnels in first place. Moon is gone by time of starfinder, so whatever was there? Never discovered by starfinder's people's because of the gap.
Akiton the Red is mostly on John Carter of Mars level somewhat advanced scifi technology(1e had picture of ikeshi junk trader on pile of metallic scifi junk and cyborg eye, 2e has apparently futuristic looking rifles), but still very fitting fantasy adventuring ;D Apparently Azlant long ago invaded a region and established an outpost too. Either way, besides lot of interesting potential ancestries and adventures, there is apparently already one 2e adventure that goes there so... Yeah, just saying, technology guide would be good spot to detail more of Akitonian technology ;D I don't know if that was detailed even in 1e. Plus mystery of akitonian ysoki would be nice to delve into more too, plus its perfect location for biker mice from mars reference.
Verces the Line is another high technological society, plus an interesting one to see pre its Starfinder incarnation because back in pathfinder their caste system wasn't yet seen as "archaic" and thus it was more culturally important instead of just a tradition. Honestly meeting highly cybernetic society is more fascinating on pathfinder era, especially since clerics and religion is more important in pathfinder than in starfinder, so God-Vessels make me wonder, what were verthani deities?
Diapora the Lost Ones is bit of "well there are so many asteroids that you could easily feature ones never shown in starfinder side or that didn't exist on pathfinder side. Like House of the Void, does it still exist in starfinder? I don't think it has ever been mentioned. Anyway, brotherhood of silent robed people of impossible to tell origin? That is very much something fun to explore. All of planets have bunch of adventure hooks that obviously don't exist in starfinder anymore or locations that never got brought up in starfinder either(so either location doesn't exist or its heavily changed by time or starfinder isn't touching them in case pathfinder wants to use them) I'm not honestly sure how technological pathfinder 1e sarcesians are since they can survive in vacuum naturally, but they were at least advanced enough to have interplanetary magic war with Eox and create a kaiju to send to destroy Eox.
Eox the Dead or as it seemed in 1e, the cyborg Giger-esque lich planet ;D Since Eoxians are basically immortal aging wise, this is most unchanged location by time of Starfinder in terms of locations matching up, though iirc there are several locations still having disappeared(and locals noticed) or changed in scope a lot. Either way, horror of Eoxian liches invading Golarion or experimenting is something I've wanted to see more of in 1e, thought it was nice to have cameo of one of them in one ap in certain funny location ;D Anyway obviously as technological space, it has place in technology guide! Plus corpse fleet isn't a thing in 1e yet, so focus of Eox would be more on bone sage shenanigans than Corpse Fleet terrorists risking their allegiance with rest of pact worlds. Eox is in politically really different place in pathfinder and starfinder since in pathfinder they'd be hostile antagonist and in starfinder they are uneasy evil creepy allies.
Triaxus, the Wanderer, featured in cool book in certain 1e ap ;D Unfortunately both starfinder and pathfinder are in the "winter season" of the planet, but its local dragon related politics and trixians are fun. Not really technology guide related location, but its alternate very dragon focused winter campaign setting with cool dragon riding shenanigans and different feeling from its starfinder counterpart. Either way, you see triaxians occasionally making cameos on Golarion, Triaxus, Castrovel and Akiton are probably planetary stuff references you see most common in pathfinder 1e.
Liavara the Dreamer is bit like Diaspora in that "well this is a location that is actually multiple other locations", with amount of moons I'm fairly sure we haven't even explored all of them in starfinder either. Still lot of Liavara's moons would be fascinating to witness in their ancient state, and would be fun to learn whether Forever Queen of Nchak is actually Hylax's avatar or not ;P Well whatever she is, Trox being from Nchak is fun detail and I hope Trox make come back in 2e.
Bretheda the Craddle is also a gas planet with moons that are actually multiple settings, though presumably less than Liavara's countless shepherd moons, we haven't gotten all of Bretheda's moons detailed in starfinder either. Honestly same what I said about Liavara applies here, it would be fascinating to see pathfinder era of some of the people, but Liavara and Bretheda in 1e are mostly collection of paragraphs about cool thing on a planet that then in starfinder got adapted into playable species. I consider them potentially interesting locations, but since both planet's moons are isolated from each other, they are more of "interesting mini settings" where other planets in solar system work as entire campaign settings. Still it isn't reason to not give us ancestry stats for them Kalo have displaced people on Golarion as well ;D So why not Maraquai in 2e as well? Eh eh? If nothing else, less technologically advanced barathu would be interesting to witness.
Apostae the Messenger: aka the most changed planet by time of starfinder since by starfinder its now the drow planet and Ilee got removed :'D Also since its possibly actually a spaceship with malfunctioning portals... Yeah fitting for technology guide. But yeah would be nice to get adventure to flesh out Ilee and their "each individual of species looks nothing alike" thing.
And finally Aucturn the Stranger, confirmed in doomsday dawn to be... Wait is it a spoiler to say it aloud? :'D Another location that hasn't really changed much politically by time of starfinder since mostly ruled by ageless aberrations, though it has gotten some shifts as biological planet with certain creepy locations being no longer in function by starfinder. This is very much just for local aberration cthulhu dominion of the black shenanigans without needing to go to another star system, but its cool and creepy. Honestly I think this one is more terrifying in pathfider than in starfinder when you have assault rifles and spaceships. If you are stuck on this planet with just sword and shield, good luck :'D I'm sure it would also have a place in technology guide as examples of gross organic technology, especially with dominion of the black having some presence on planet
Sooo yeah. Hope we will get 2e planetary content back xD Especially since starfinder setting content is slow production that likes to focus more on the new materials outside of pact worlds first
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Even if Distant Worlds and Technology Guide content shared one book, I still think it’s just too niche for the 2e model, sadly. I’d love to be wrong about this, especially as I dearly want playable Lashunta in PF2, and would welcome more weird tech and alien Ancestries.
But yes, happy to cheer for it, and for a return to Numeria!
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I mean I definitely believe there is going to be 2e numeria ap at some point, so all it comes down to "is numeria too specific to include rulebook just to help run single country and type of campaign?" and I'd say "Fix that by using other technological parts of Lost Omens setting too!" ;D And I doubt lost omens broken lands can do that all by itself.
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Oh right Kingmaker had one Numerian item in it. Seems like in 2e such items have "Tech" trait :D
Just saying, book full of such items would be nice ;D
There's two Numerian items in there. And just like the first time, when we put them in a campaign when we didn't have rules for them yet, we had to kind of do the same here. My preference is fo these items to have the "Tech" trait, but that may get changed some day if we do more with this stuff in Pathfinder.
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I feel like I can glean enough about the other planets in Golarion's solar system from the various Starfinder setting books to use them if I need to. Yes they're different timelines/in a different spot on the timeline, but there's still bone sages on Eox, Ysoki on Akiton, Verces is still tidally locked, Apostae is amazingly hostile and probably eldritch, etc.
I'd rather see a "Numeria specific" book or AP than a more general book about the kind of technology you only find in Numeria and places that had spaceships that crashed in Numeria.
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There's two Numerian items in there. And just like the first time, when we put them in a campaign when we didn't have rules for them yet, we had to kind of do the same here. My preference is fo these items to have the "Tech" trait, but that may get changed some day if we do more with this stuff in Pathfinder.Oh right Kingmaker had one Numerian item in it. Seems like in 2e such items have "Tech" trait :D
Just saying, book full of such items would be nice ;D
(yeah I forgot about second one until I read further x'D)
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I feel like I can glean enough about the other planets in Golarion's solar system from the various Starfinder setting books to use them if I need to. Yes they're different timelines/in a different spot on the timeline, but there's still bone sages on Eox, Ysoki on Akiton, Verces is still tidally locked, Apostae is amazingly hostile and probably eldritch, etc.
Apostae has changed pretty radically between the two games (from being a home for chimeric weirdos called the Ilee to the home of a thriving Drow arms industry), and the changes to post-Gap elf culture means Castrovel is significantly changed, too. That latter one is the celestial body that’s most caught my eye, and I don’t feel like any source has really given me what I need to run a classic Pulp Venus sword-and-sorcery game. What’s Lashunta governance like? What gods are known on Castrovel?
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Very happy to see some Tech stuff sneak into Kingmaker 2e (I love the brief tidbit about reflavoring enemies to feel more Numerian!), to at least whet the appetite some.
A sequel to Iron Gods is probably the story I want most from Avistan at this point, and doubly so if we get more alien buddies and Dominion horrors than the original. Someday, I hope!
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Honestly, the Dominion could use a big AP in general.
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Honestly, the Dominion could use a big AP in general.
Their surprising lack of focus in Starfinder makes me think they're mostly reserved for Pathfinder, so I hope we get to whatever the story Paizo's saving them for someday soon.
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Yeah it kinda feels like starfinder staff is wary of "Dominion oversaturation" (which is silly but I do "get" it even if I think starfinder or pathfinder shouldn't avoid stuff like "we can't do shadow plane adventure because other one did it" and such :p)
That said, starfinder is pretty big setting and devs seem to like focus on the new stuff there
You knew this was coming ;D Anyway, I'm sure that even with starfinder existing, there is presence of scifi tech in pathfinder and not just because of numeria... Hence thread name. I think 2e version of technology guide should be combined with detailing planets in Golarion's star system with heavier tech focus. If Akitonians can have future guns then why not our android gunslingers too? That and would make it easier to run iron gods in 2e :p We kinda need this anyway for that dominion of the black alien invasion campaign or numeria 2e campaign whatever we will end up getting.
(and no, guns & gears isn't technology guide, that one was less scifi and more steam punk and early firearms even with tesla coils)
Anyway, I'll be doing likely my final lore binge on obscure setting materials since I'm fairly sure this is last corner(or spaaaace) in Golarion('s related material) to discuss. And just remember, having 2e adventures in planets doesn't affect starfinder and vice versa, sword & sorcery planet traveling is as much form of fantasy as other genres present on golarion. We don't even really need AP set on them, we could have just anthology adventure book with one adventure on each of them. Heck detailing them helps with more of Golarion alien shenanigans as well! So yeah summaries of even less technological stuff in solar system(I try to include reason to explore locations in pathfinder era):
** spoiler omitted **...
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One small thing I'd like to know: where do the names come from?
On Earth we name the planets after Roman gods and moons after Greek, sometimes Norse, and then a more eclectic system for planetoids. Where does the word Aballon come from, and what does it actually mean? Is that what its own denizins call it? Same with Castrovel, is that an elvish name for their own homeworld? If so, then how did a bunch of Golarion astronomers know that when the fact that those planets are inhabited seems like pretty darn obscure knowledge? Were there a bunch of gods who lent their names to the planets and then vanished, or (as in historical society) were the planets worshipped AS gods, or at least celestial spirits since I doubt a cleric of Akiton would be granted spells for revering a the Red Planet. And if these are just the names used in the Inner Sea, does southern Garund, Casmaron, Tian Xia, Arcadia, etc have different names for them?
I've thrown my vote in for a Distant Worlds supplement as well. It makes a lot of sense, especially now that Golarion World is being brought into Starfinder. As more and more groups get high level, you need higher level material for them to utilize. That means the other planes, other planets, and the darklands are going to need to be added to the game world. Which I think gets less niche each year that goes by. Certainly more plausible after the year of Tian Xia is over.
Honestly, with how big the Pathfinder world is, I understand not wanting to add in so much at once, but I wonder if more niche content like this is better suited to be distributed by Pathfinder Infinite or DriveThruRPG proper with PDF only or print on demand supplements, rather than a full print run.