Focus point confusion

[tytalan]

There are numerous video that claim that the champion feat deity’s domain gives you a focus point even if you already have one. The same videos claim every feat that gives you a focus spell gives you a focus point unless specifically stated they don’t. I believe this is wrong because this is a exception to the fact that every other class can’t get a second focus point at first level unless they take the human ancestry feat natural ambition. Can we get a ruling on this

[breithauptclan]

The question of whether a feat that gives a focus spell also gives a focus point is highly contested.

Until we get official errata regarding this, none of us can give a clear and uncontested ruling for you.

[breithauptclan]

tytalan wrote:

every other class can’t get a second focus point at first level unless they take the human ancestry feat natural ambition.

Also, Oracle starts with 2 focus points at level 1.

[Captain Morgan]

So does the psychic.

[tytalan]

And the Oracle has that in the class description not by a feat. This question only benefits the champions since every class other than the Oracle and psychic has to take natural ambition to get the second focus point.

[breithauptclan]

tytalan wrote:

And the Oracle has that in the class description not by a feat. This question only benefits the champions since every class other than the Oracle and psychic has to take natural ambition to get the second focus point.

... OK.

I'm not seeing a problem with that. Basically it means that a Champion that doesn't take their cause-specific upgrade feat (such as Ranged Reprisal, or Weight of Guilt) can have as many focus points as a Human Witch. And if they instead take Desperate Prayer they get the same benefits as having 2 focus points (able to use their focus spell twice in one battle once per day), but without a different focus spell to use.

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Looking at Deity's Domain it definitely doesn't mention anything about adding points to the Champion's focus pool. There are known to be strange edge cases regarding feats that may or may not add points, so a popular ruling is to make your focus pool always equal to the number of focus points that you have, max 3. But without the GM and table making that ruling, it seems fairly clear to me that it doesn't add a focus point unless you get the feat from the Champion archetype and don't already have a focus pool at all. At that point the general rule would give you a focus pool with one point automatically.

[Eoran]

Perhaps you are overvaluing having multiple focus points. Remember that you can only refocus one of them without an upgrade feat at higher levels. So once you spend two points consecutively, you can't refocus back to two points again during that day.

[Losonti]

Storm Druids also start with 2 focus points.

Eoran makes a good point. Lots of people slide over Refocus's requirements that you have spent a focus point since the last timed you Refocused, so they think you can get back to full by just spending more time. Without a way to regain 2 or 3 focus points each time you Refocus, all you get from having an extra point is the ability to use two focus spells in a single encounter, once a day. That's not nothing, but it's not game breaking either.

[Ed Reppert]

"Not game breaking" may be why it is the way it is.

[YuriP]

Losonti wrote:

Storm Druids also start with 2 focus points.

Eoran makes a good point. Lots of people slide over Refocus's requirements that you have spent a focus point since the last timed you Refocused, so they think you can get back to full by just spending more time. Without a way to regain 2 or 3 focus points each time you Refocus, all you get from having an extra point is the ability to use two focus spells in a single encounter, once a day. That's not nothing, but it's not game breaking either.

Maestro bards also starts with 2 focus points at lvl 1 due Lingering Composition