Unconventional Weaponry and Firearms

[Ravingdork]

Can I use the Unconventional Weaponry feat to get access to and become proficient in firearms?

I'm asking because I vaguely recall that firearms had some exceptions regarding access and/or proficiency, or some such.

[aobst128]

The cultures that guns come from are well established. So I would say yes.

[breithauptclan]

Ravingdork wrote:

Can I use the Unconventional Weaponry feat to get access to and become proficient in firearms?

I'm asking because I vaguely recall that firearms had some exceptions regarding access and/or proficiency, or some such.

If the GM doesn't want to have firearms in the campaign at all, then I wouldn't try to use Unconventional Weaponry to circumvent that. But as long as firearms exist in-world, I don't see any reason why ancestry specific firearms should be excluded from the feat.

[aobst128]

"or common in another culture" is the weird vague part of it. I'd say it would give you access to a gun of your choice, as long as the cultures in question exist in world.

[Richard Lowe]

The text of the feat is;

Quote:

Choose an uncommon simple or martial weapon with a trait corresponding to an ancestry (such as dwarf, goblin, or orc) or that is common in another culture. You gain access to that weapon, and for the purpose of determining your proficiency, that weapon is a simple weapon.

So, it would grant you Access to a single appropriate firearm from the culture you picked (some cultures only have access to certain ones), OR it would grant you Access to an ancestry locked weapon, it wouldn't grant Access to an ancestry locked firearm however (as the feat requires you to pick one or the other).

[Gisher]

Richard Lowe wrote:

The text of the feat is;

Quote:

Choose an uncommon simple or martial weapon with a trait corresponding to an ancestry (such as dwarf, goblin, or orc) or that is common in another culture. You gain access to that weapon, and for the purpose of determining your proficiency, that weapon is a simple weapon.

So, it would grant you Access to a single appropriate firearm from the culture you picked (some cultures only have access to certain ones), OR it would grant you Access to an ancestry locked weapon, it wouldn't grant Access to an ancestry locked firearm however (as the feat requires you to pick one or the other).

The standard use of the word "or" is that it means "at least one of the conditions must be met."

I don't see any indication in the wording of the feat that indicates that this is the "exclusive or" meaning that "exactly one of the conditions must be met."

[CaffeinatedNinja]

Richard Lowe wrote:

The text of the feat is;

Quote:

Choose an uncommon simple or martial weapon with a trait corresponding to an ancestry (such as dwarf, goblin, or orc) or that is common in another culture. You gain access to that weapon, and for the purpose of determining your proficiency, that weapon is a simple weapon.

So, it would grant you Access to a single appropriate firearm from the culture you picked (some cultures only have access to certain ones), OR it would grant you Access to an ancestry locked weapon, it wouldn't grant Access to an ancestry locked firearm however (as the feat requires you to pick one or the other).

Nah, it is either or. Either an weapon with ancestry tag or one common in another culture (how that is interpreted is really up to the GM)

For advanced weapons it appears to be a bit more restrictive, just racial weapons.

[PossibleCabbage]

Well, in terms of proficiency you don't really need specific gun proficiency (unless you're a wizard) since guns are just simple, martial, or advanced weapons. Having simple weapon proficiency makes you proficient with all simple guns.

Since "access" is all you need and saying "I'm from Alkenstar" is probably enough for access, I'd be slightly nervous for the "get the free martial->simple proficiency bump" but it mostly just helps rogues and investigators, which is probably fine.

[Squiggit]

Richard Lowe wrote:

it wouldn't grant Access to an ancestry locked firearm however (as the feat requires you to pick one or the other).

I don't really follow. A clan pistol (or mithral tree or spoon gun) is an uncommon martial weapon with an ancestry trait. I don't see how it doesn't qualify, that's exactly what the feat asks for.

[aobst128]

Guns and gears made ancestry guns a little more complicated with the fact that the typical ancestry feats that grant you weapons don't grant you the guns unless you already have access to guns.

The question is whether or not that affects unconventional weaponry.

[Ravingdork]

breithauptclan wrote:

If the GM doesn't want to have firearms in the campaign at all, then I wouldn't try to use Unconventional Weaponry to circumvent that.

Drat! Foiled yet again by the Good Samaritans of the Internet! /jest XD

[breithauptclan]

Heh. I have no problems believing that some subset of gamers would try it.