| The Young Squire Pettypants |
Per the Contagion spell:
The subject contracts one of the following diseases: blinding sickness, bubonic plague, cackle fever, filth fever, leprosy, mindfire, red ache, shakes, or slimy doom. The disease is contracted immediately (the onset period does not apply). Use the disease's listed frequency and save DC to determine further effects. For more information see Diseases.
It seems to me that, because the spell is notably lacking verbiage like "choose", the disease is not necessarily chosen (see Bestow Curse for an example of such verbiage).
Do we have any other evidence as to how this should be ruled?
| Sysryke |
I can only give a leaning, but I'm currently playing a character built around disease. I'm not high enough level yet to cast the spell, but when I was laying out the character I seem to recall something indicating that you get to choose. It's meant to be a versatility spell. If nothing else, with 9 options, there's no good or obvious mechanic for how to make that an even chances random selection. At the very least I think this is the RAI, but I don't have the RAW at the moment.
If it comes down to GM discretion, I'm strongly advocating for the caster's choice interpretation.
| Melkiador |
On one hand, I agree with that as a ruling, but on another, it's clear that some of these diseases are straight up better than others.
I feel they are pretty on par with each other. But also this spell isn’t exactly meant for combat. It can be used for that sure, but it’s more of an RP spell. It’s for giving an NPC an illness and letting them infect their community.
| AwesomenessDog |
And to that particular end, it still has several diseases that are still way more valuable than others, as beyond the initial infected from the casting of the spell, you not only use the normal save DC, but some simply have better infection vectors (contact or inhaled vs injury or ingestion). Also, an area effect, instantaneous disease effect is still super useful in combat. It can weaken casters with the right mental ability damage, it can weaken martials with the right physical damagers, and one I believe even causes fatigue.
Belafon
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Contagion is one of those spells I see more for GM NPC usage than being cast by PCs. The PCs will have to deal with lingering effects after the fight but most of the time the enemies will be too dead to care about the disease.
Yeah, when the PCs use it in combat, it's almost always bubonic plague. Con damage and fatigue. Maybe blinding sickness if you want to gamble on a lot of rolls going your way.
| Azothath |
Contagion:N3-4.
The blurb on the short spell intro, "Contagion{Y}: Infects subject with chosen disease." which clearly implies the caster chooses.
It is undefined in the spell description.
From general spellcasting the caster has to define all the spell variables when casting which argues again that it's the caster's choice.
officious List o Diseases _(´ཀ`」 ∠)_
Generally the mid to long term effects of disease will not manifest in the game as they will be cured by the martial winners after combat. So it is more a resource and an action drain likely after conflict resolution. It is also used as a story hook.
| AwesomenessDog |
The blurb on the short spell intro, "Contagion{Y}: Infects subject with chosen disease." which clearly implies the caster chooses.
If you're referring to the text from the PFSRD where it has the spell listed in a table, that is not official rules text, just what the guy who runs the site decided to say about the spell so people would have at least a vague understanding of what they do. It should at all be looked at as a rules source for how the spell actually works.
| Java Man |
Azothath wrote:The blurb on the short spell intro, "Contagion{Y}: Infects subject with chosen disease." which clearly implies the caster chooses.If you're referring to the text from the PFSRD where it has the spell listed in a table, that is not official rules text, just what the guy who runs the site decided to say about the spell so people would have at least a vague understanding of what they do. It should at all be looked at as a rules source for how the spell actually works.
The short description with the word "chosen" can be found in the CRB and on Archives of Nethys, so it is official.
Taja the Barbarian
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AwesomenessDog wrote:The short description with the word "chosen" can be found in the CRB and on Archives of Nethys, so it is official.Azothath wrote:The blurb on the short spell intro, "Contagion{Y}: Infects subject with chosen disease." which clearly implies the caster chooses.If you're referring to the text from the PFSRD where it has the spell listed in a table, that is not official rules text, just what the guy who runs the site decided to say about the spell so people would have at least a vague understanding of what they do. It should at all be looked at as a rules source for how the spell actually works.
Correct: It is found on p227 of the CRB.
Also included in the Legacy SRD Spell Lists.
It's not exactly conclusive, but it's the only guidance we seem to have on this particular item...
| Azothath |
Azothath wrote:The blurb on the short spell intro, "Contagion{Y}: Infects subject with chosen disease." which clearly implies the caster chooses.If you're referring to the text from the PFSRD where it has the spell listed in a table, that is not official rules text, just what the guy who runs the site decided to say about the spell so people would have at least a vague understanding of what they do. It should at all be looked at as a rules source for how the spell actually works.
as this is a rules thread I (try to) use official sources. (sometimes the text you want isn't on AoN or takes considerable time to find)
If you are shy of clinking on links - Positioning the mouse cursor over the link reveals the url website name on Firefox browser.additionally, see last line of Brew Potion indicating the caster normally makes choices.