The description for Library Chips says that they are used for Recall Knowledge checks with the skill they are for. Engineering has no Recall Knowledge use.
Constructs say hello.
Edit: Ah, this is for Starfinder, not P2, my apologies.
That said I'd still allow it to work vs Constructs, and the writer probably was thinking so as well.
Constructs say hello.
Edit: Ah, this is for Starfinder, not P2, my apologies.
That said I'd still allow it to work vs Constructs, and the writer probably was thinking so as well.
Allow what to work versus constructs? Recall Knowledge and Identify creature are two separate uses of skills and are not the same thing.
How the construct functions, that a construct did something in the area, materials the construct might be made out of, basically pertinent stuff that would be relevant to an engineer would be my guess.
How the construct functions, that a construct did something in the area, materials the construct might be made out of, basically pertinent stuff that would be relevant to an engineer would be my guess.
Engineering is used with more than just constructs. The uses of Engineering are Arm Explosives, Assess Stability, Craft Tech Item, Disable Device, Identify Creature, Identify Technology, and Repair Item.
I don't why you keep talking about constructs. I could Identify one, but that has nothing to do with Recalling Knowledge.
Functionally? Its mostly for the downloaded data set for Engineering.
downloaded data set
Granted this came out 2 years after library chips came out.My main assumption is long ago, it was future proofing. They included all similiar topics that may come up.
So originally I have no clue given that Engineering didn't relate to the Recall Knowledge rules
The main feature is it counting as a downloaded Data Set. Which you can actually use for many things. such as Recall Knowledge.
"You can attempt untrained skill checks to identify a creature if the DC is 10 or less. You can take 20 on a check to identify a creature, but only if you have a means of performing research, such as access to an information network like a planetary infosphere or a downloaded data set "
From Identify creaturesIf you have a library chip with engineering downloade data set. You can spend downtime to research and compile information and use Culture to research something related to Engineering. Because the specific of that action allowing culture recall knowledge about a non-culture topic means you can use that skill for any topic related to the downloaded data set.
So if you have the time. Someone with Culture and the library chips, can research any topic that would normally fall under a different skill for this chip options. Won't come up too much but for instance, could use that to use culture to recall knowledge about identifying a dead creature that would normally fall under life science.
Or they could use it with the actual skill at a bonus or allowed to attempt lower DC untrained ones.IDing creatures is a different roll from recall knowledge, but you can still recall knowledge about the speciies, or that specific creature. DC might not be obtainable though.
GM is the arbitrator of it all of course.
Downloaded data set has a lot...
So you're saying useless for Society play?
I was fixating on Constructs yes but you bring up good examples as well, using it to figure what type of explosives were used in an explosion or holes left from certain ammo types would be a good ones.
I was fixating on Constructs yes but you bring up good examples as well, using it to figure what type of explosives were used in an explosion or holes left from certain ammo types would be a good ones.
You can't do that. Library chips only work for Recall Knowledge use of skills and Engineering can't be used for that.
I was suggesting uses because of that.
Given the intended purpose of the data, and the specific usage of the Engineering skill does not include Recall Knowledge, it seems to me that the only sensible usage of the data set is to allow for untrained players to make Identify Creature and Identify Technology (which, in this category, are technically the same thing, but that's another topic altogether).
Now, unless said PC intends to be fiddling with a data pad in the middle of a fire fight, this usage will only be helpful for Identify Creature if an important mark got away, or an enemy type that is expected to be common, and is thus likely to only be used for Identify Technology, which, if the data set would include info on the subject in question, a GM would likely either grant a circumstance bonus to someone trained that made use of the data set, and/or allow a re-roll of a check failed in combat. Of course, if a band of intrepid explorers are the first people to encounter a given subject, the data set would be useless.
Now, the point that made me raise my eyebrow; what lunatic party out there is running around with no one trained to keep all their high tech gear in good working order?
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Identify creatures: You can take 20 on a check to identify a creature, but only if you have a means of performing research, such as access to an information network like a planetary infosphere or a downloaded data set (see page 430); this typically takes 2 minutes.
They count as the downloaded data set. 2 minutes isn't in-combat useful, but if you've got time to observe first, or you're tracking something it might come up.
Also, every sfs game I've seen allows things for recall knowledge to work on identify creature, so in practice you're good there too.
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Until this thread it had never even occurred to me to not consider identifying creatures as a kind of recalling knowledge.
Until this thread it had never even occurred to me to not consider identifying creatures as a kind of recalling knowledge.
Stop shooting i'm trying to use my dichotomous key here!~
It is a less commonly used data chip, but for the price it is better to have and not need, than need and not have.
It works fine for identifying constructs.