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So, not sure which forum this belongs in so I just did general.
What is a thoughtform? In first edition they were creatures that you could summon in a mindscape kinda like: “I imagine there is a frog.” *Blomp* Frog appears. But now it says under a construct eidolon in PF2:
Your eidolon is a mental construct based on an astral thoughtform and given physical presence and life by its connection to you,
So I guess there are some thoughtforms that are just hanging out in the astral plane waiting to be turned into Eidolons? I don’t. . . I need some help here man!
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I think they're like Plato's theory of forms. There's a thought form not just of everything that someone has thought of, but of everything someone *could* think of.
If you imagine that there is a frog, you're not creating the thoughtform you're calling on one that already exists which is like the frog you're thinking of.
So, not sure which forum this belongs in so I just did general.
What is a thoughtform? In first edition they were creatures that you could summon in a mindscape kinda like: “I imagine there is a frog.” *Blomp* Frog appears. But now it says under a construct eidolon in PF2:
Your eidolon is a mental construct based on an astral thoughtform and given physical presence and life by its connection to you,So I guess there are some thoughtforms that are just hanging out in the astral plane waiting to be turned into Eidolons? I don’t. . . I need some help here man!
No theosophical expert, but I imagine they're based on the real-world concept of thoughtforms and tulpas, i.e. beings or objects created through spiritual or mental powers. The astral plane, as the centre for 'mental energy' in the multiverse, is the most likely place for independent thoughtforms to hang out and be embodied by a Summoner (or possibly to originate from when a Summoner manifests it through force of mental power)
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Necropost, but I was doing research on this myself and I'm bit confused too and I'd rather revive old thread than make new one with exact same question: I kinda thought thoughtforms are incorporeal astral trait beings without spirit tag (implying they are composed of purely mental matter without spirit in them) but I guess they might have life and matter essences as well maybe? *shrugs* Animated Dream didn't have spirit tag because it was incorporeal creature created out of mental essence, but secrets of magic claims it does have spirit essence(but I guess to so low ratio it isn't spirit?) so I'm bit confused of what essences astral, etherreal and dream trait beings have x'D
Like, etherreal incorporeals likely have spirit trait because ethereal is composed of spiritual essence, but do they have other three essences as well? If thoughtforms are pure mental essence, then are animated dream creatures thoughtforms? If animated dream has spiritual essence, why does it not have spirit trait? Or is that error and animated dream is actually something like mental and life essence?
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A thoughtform is the state an object or creature exists in prior to becoming reality. It is the literal state of non-existence before existence. It is "existence potential." Unknowable chaos before it becomes concievable Order.
If you've ever read the Enderverse series, a good analogy in those stories would be "The Outside," as in Outside the universe, of all reality. That is where thoughtforms existed prior to being pulled into reality by thought, will, desire, or happenstance.
Confusing still? It should be. Thoughtform and The Outside do not follow the laws of the universe and thus are inherently indescribable or unknowable until they can be brought inside reality, at which point they take a form that follows universal law.