Fey Gift Spells with Summoner Archetype

[Doc Midnight]

TL:DR - Does the Fey Gifts Initial Eidolon Ability give access to the primal spell list for non-primal spontaneous casters?

I'm a GM but am also building an Imperial Sorcerer who is a snooty noble and likes to summon things to do her dirty work. Summoner Archetype seems like a good fit. With a Fey Eidolon, the 4th level Initial Eidolon Ability archetype feat grants the Fey Gift Spells ability, which reads as follows:

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Your eidolon expands your primal magic with enchantment and illusion magic, allowing both of you to wield the power of fey charm and glamour. When you add spells to your repertoire, you can choose from the primal list as well as from enchantment and illusion spells that appear on the arcane spell list. As usual for when you add spells of a different tradition to your spell list, you’re still a primal spellcaster, so all of your spells are primal spells.

Your eidolon gains the Magical Understudy summoner feat, despite not meeting the prerequisite level, and it can choose fey gift cantrips in addition to primal cantrips. As usual for a feat you are granted by name, you can’t retrain Magical Understudy into another feat.

To me, this line says RAW, "yes:"

Quote:

When you add spells to your repertoire, you can choose from the primal list as well as from enchantment and illusion spells that appear on the arcane spell list.

But the following line says "yeah, that's not what we meant."

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As usual for when you add spells of a different tradition to your spell list, you’re still a primal spellcaster, so all of your spells are primal spells.

Interestingly, since prepared casters don't have a repertoire, I would say this does not grant them access. The interaction with Magical Understudy is also a little wonky, but less so.

Would appreciate thoughts, input.

[cavernshark]

I think the intended reading is:

"When you add spells to your [summoner] repertoire, you can..."

The ability applies within the class it came from. There's absolutely no context for a single class ability to allow casters of one tradition to completely grab another tradition which is what I think you're hoping to do here since the enchantment and illusion spells on the arcane list would already be on your Imperial arcane list.

As a multiclass summoner, picking up Fey Gift does very little if you don't also pick up basic bounded summoner spellcasting.

Definitely falls under the too good to be true so it probably isn't clause.

[HumbleGamer]

Doc Midnight wrote:

Would appreciate thoughts, input.

Do you really think that they intended for a spontaneous spellcaster to exploit his repertoire limits with 2 dedication feats?

It's like cavernshark said.
Every class has its own repertoire.

If you go with a dedication, you get an additional different one ( even if it comes from the same tradition ), but you can't exploit the fey gift that way...

[Doc Midnight]

cavernshark wrote:

I think the intended reading is:

"When you add spells to your [summoner] repertoire, you can..."

I agree with basically everything you said. Magaambyan Attendant/Halycon Speaker grants primal + arcane intentionally and in a limited way through a series of gated feats - for one feat to give access to an entire second tradition is unprecedented and as you said, seems too good to be true.

Surprised it hadn't been discussed anywhere before, which was my main reason for posting. The one word errata you suggested above would clarify things a lot.