jongold
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I have not seen this topic covered - Does the Ring of Curing stack with the Enhanced Cures for the Life Oracle? The wording and different sources lead me to believe that they would stack and work together. Hopefully, someone official can look at this.
Below are the excerpts from the item and the class SRD material.
Enhanced Cures (Su): Whenever you cast a cure spell, the maximum number of hit points healed is based on your oracle level, not the limit based on the spell. For example, an 11th-level oracle of life with this revelation may cast cure light wounds to heal 1d8+11 hit points instead of the normal 1d8+5 maximum.
Ring of Curing: This simple copper ring is a boon to those who spend their lives healing others.
Whenever the wearer of a ring of curing casts a conjuration spell of the healing subschool, all maximums to the level-dependent healing provided by that spell increase by 2. For example, cure light wounds would provide a maximum healing of 1d8 + 7 (at 7th caster level), while heal would cure a maximum of 170 points of damage. This ring does not increase the wearer’s actual caster level, nor the amount of level-dependent healing provided by any such spell
Belafon
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It wouldn't matter unless your caster level is higher than your oracle level. If your oracle level is 11 and your caster level is 11, it wouldn't matter if your maximum is +13, you'd still be capped at +11 by your caster level.
As far as if they should stack, I don't know. My first instinct was to say yes, but after a few minutes I'm thinking that perhaps they shouldn't. The problem is that Pathfinder doesn't have "order of operations" rules and it really matters which order you apply these two things. Take an 11th level oracle (with a caster level of 13, somewhow) casting cure light wounds.
-Ring first: Maximum raises to +7, then the oracle ability raises the maximum to +11. Cap at 11.
-Enhanced Cures first: Maximum raises to +11, then the ring raises it another 2 to +13.
I'm rooting for an official response, but we haven't seen an official response to any 1E question in years.
Name Violation
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Yes, if you have a means to increase your effective oracle level (not your caster level)
The revelation makes the max equal to your oracle level instead of caster level.
The ring doesn't give you extra levels, just raises the max by 2.
Edit
Actually, I think I read that wrong.
The oracle ability is a replacement for the normal.
So with the ring and the revelation you pick whichever is higher.
| bbangerter |
My take on it:
CLW heals 1d8 + caster level (max +5).
Enhanced cures changes that to 1d8 + oracle level. Technically oracle level and caster level are two different things. But I feel in this case they should be considered synonmous.
Ring of curing adds +2 to the max caster level part of the CL(x) line of spells (and other conjuration-healing spells).
So IMO, they do stack.
An 11th level oracle heals 1d8+11 with CLW. Add the ring, and a way to boost the effective caster level by 2 levels and that can go up to 1d8+13.
If you don't consider oracle level and caster level to be the same thing here though, then the ring does nothing for Cure spells, as at that point the CL(x) spells have been changed to be dependent on oracle level. There is no longer a caster level component to the spell for the ring to effect. The Heal spell would continue to work with the ring and boosted caster levels though as Heal is not affected by the oracle revelation as it is not a "Cure" spell - same with breath of life, and other healing spells that do not have Cure in the name.
| MrCharisma |
My take on it:
RAW: Exacy what Belafon said. They don't directly increase the healing you do, they increase the maximum level-cap. So they only way to have them stack is to have your Caster level be higher than your Oracle level (and in that case they do stack).
Take a level 5 Oracle casting CLW for example:
A regular Oracle would heal 1d8+5hp (CLW maxes out at +5).
An Oracle with Enhanced Cures would heal 1d8+5hp (Enhanced Cures changes the maximum to Oracle Level, which is currently 5)
An Oracle with a Ring of Curing would heal 1d8+5hp (The ring changes the maximum level cap to +7, but doesn't change the spell from 1d8+CL, and the CL is still +5).
So you can see that even if they do stack (which I think they do) the ring doesn't actually add anything for a single-classed Oracle ... until you hit level 16/17 and get +10/+20hp from the Heal spell.
However if you were playing a 12th level Oracle with a 1 level Swashbuckler dip (and the feat that gives you +2CL up to your character level, I'm blanking) you'd cast CLW for 1d8+13hp of healing - Enhanced Cures takes you to 1d8+12, and the ring and <mystery feat> takes you to up 1 more to your character level.
As to how I'd actually run this - I can't see how +2hp per cure is going to break anything so I might just let you have +2hp from the ring if you're spending this many resources on it.