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I was GM'ing a game of The Lions of Katapesh last night; though players positioning and a crit from one of the cats poor Merisiel our iconic Rogue went down without anybody able to get to her. She hit dying 4 just as the ranger PC got the killing longbow shot on the cat. Somebody asked if Merisiel gets a hero point at the start like all the PCs. Still being in the middle of the scenario and the player not wanting to be down a party member we paused a did some searches of the inter-webs but could not find an answer. I went with the players favor, but was not 100% sold on it.
So do Pregens get hero points?
Venture-Captain, Nebraska—Bellevue
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Unlike Experience Points and treasure, which stay with a character, Hero Points are granted and used on a per-session basis. At the start of a game session, you give out 1 Hero Point to each player character. You can also give out more Hero Points during the game, typically after a heroic moment or accomplishment (see below). As noted on page 467, a player can spend 1 Hero Point for a reroll, or they can spend all their Hero Points to recover when near death.
If a player is playing a pre-gen, I don't think there's any doubt that player should get a hero point.
I assume that you are perhaps filling an empty seat to fill the four character minimum. I would suggest that in that case the "non-player character" is still a player character in that circumstance - since it is fulfilling a minimum player requirement for the table.
I think you are fine with that call.
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I assume that you are perhaps filling an empty seat to fill the four character minimum. I would suggest that in that case the "non-player character" is still a player character in that circumstance - since it is fulfilling a minimum player requirement for the table.I think you are fine with that call.
You are correct, there were 3 players and I was running Merisiel.
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I would also go so far as to say as a GM that *if* you have a table of 'x' +pregen, if there are any GM glyph overages after helping players that the pregens would be valid candidates for them.
In part because the pregens need all the help they can get (but better off than they were in PF1, I think?) and in part because they are 'filling in' as agents of the Society.
Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley
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Well, a GM controlled pregen dying doesn't hurt anyone in the end. It's really up to you. I personally don't, but as Nefreet said hero points are a base rule. Though getting one at the start of the scenario is a specific thing in Society play.
So the answer is: I guess they do?
Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku
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Unless some rule says otherwise, they definitely should also get a heropoint. While a "non-player pregen dying" doesn't hurt anyone directly, the lack of a heropoint on a pregen means that the party has less rerolls for skill challenges, making the scenario more difficult (compounded by the fact that playing with a pregen is never quite the same as playing with someone who has built their own, probably competent, character).
Further, a pregen dying can mean that the next battle is fought with just 3 PC's and that's harsh and material for a TPK.
So, an already under-staffed party being stiffled additional resources by having less heropoints? Probably not intentioned. Let them have the heropoint.
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I would like to think that a pregen is entitled to the same Hero Point issuance as anyone else, but the Guide says, "A player cannot gain more than one additional Hero Point from glyphs" which could be read that Glyphs are player rewards as opposed to character rewards and since a pregen used to fill out a table does not have a player, they would not be eligible for a glyph award. That's a fairly harsh interpretation so I wouldn't expect it to occur very often and if it did, you might want to be aware of other rulings by said GM that could influence your decision to play with them.