Can you see yourself? (Motivating Display)


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"Benefit: Whenever you use Dazzling Display to demoralize foes, you can motivate your allies to better serve you. In addition to possibly demoralizing foes within 30 feet, your Intimidate check while using Dazzling Display also applies to allies within 30 feet who can see you. The DC for this effect is the same as it would be to demoralize your allies. Each ally so affected gains a +1 morale bonus on attack rolls and skill checks for the duration that it would normally be shaken."

I am already aware that you count as your own ally, but do you see yourself? Do you gain the bonus from this feat when performing it?


Are you standing in front of a mirror? /s

In all seriousness though, you count as you own ally when it would make sense, and this is a time it doesn't make sense (unless you're in front of a mirror).

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The FAQ you are referring to says:

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You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

I'd say the text of this ability means affecting yourself with it falls into the category of "makes no sense."

edit: 1-minute ninja!


I can't see any rule restricting the demoralize action in that way, and I guess if you can see your own "bewildering show of prowess" it should count as seeing yourself for the sake of dazzling display.

All I can think of is pulling off a trick and being stoked you landed it. I like that it mechanically compliments a low wisdom + high charisma score. That's exactly the type of stats I'd expect for someone like this.


If the concern is about seeing yourself, then you also need to make a ruling that a bardic performance for a visual (instead of auditory) performance doesn't work on the bard himself.

The wording of the feat suggests it does not work for yourself.

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...you can motivate your allies to better serve you

eg, in this kind of context I don't think it makes sense to say that you serve yourself better. This would be similar to a ranger with hunter's bond (companions) giving himself a the boost in addition to his allies receiving it.

I do not though that a ranger already has a favored enemy bonus running, where as the feat line in quesiton isn't providing a similar bonus to the user in question.


You can always see yourself...unless it's dark.


ErichAD wrote:
All I can think of is pulling off a trick and being stoked you landed it. I like that it mechanically compliments a low wisdom + high charisma score. That's exactly the type of stats I'd expect for someone like this.

In Arabic, saying of someone that s/he is seeing her/himself is an expression to mean that one thinks too highly of oneself. So I'd say your take on the character of the performer is quite appropriate^^


bbangerter wrote:
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...you can motivate your allies to better serve you

Yeah, I'd have to say no. You don't *serve* yourself.


TheOneAbove wrote:
Dazzling Display ... {does the caster} gain the bonus from this feat when performing it?

historically in game play it is a "no".

I'd agree with Belefon that it doesn't make sense given the FAQ, so no again.
It's probably a reason to have dueling pseudo-Bards in a party...

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